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Air Forces has announced that applying

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disc has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army

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change the game

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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Network

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all right good evening Fade to Black for

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Monday May 29 2023 I am your host Jimmy

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church happy Monday everybody I hope you

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had a great weekend Memorial Weekend uh

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we are back and tonight's Destiny Stoner

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is with us we're going to be talking

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about a subject that I don't think it's

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as much coverage as it deserves and that

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is alien abductions 20 years of research

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and the impact on experiencers we're

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going to be going through all of that

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tonight with Denise she has mufon's

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assistant director of abduction studies

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in Florida Move On Field investigator

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Florida Star team member and director of

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the Florida research group affiliation

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of u4 cop that's right UFO r cop you for

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cop she also holds educational forms for

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a public and private Gatherings for

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abduction experiencers for 12 years she

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did back Crown investigations for the

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military on recruits seeking highly

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classified clearances for work on

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nuclear submarines prior to retirement

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she moved to the Naval Air Naval Air

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military research facility where she was

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training the coordinator for several

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hundred military and civilian employees

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I would like to welcome for the first

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time to fade to black and I will say

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it's about time Denise Stoner there she

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is right there how you doing Denise hi

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I'm fine how are you and thank you for

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having me it's uh it's I I don't know

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why we waited uh this long but uh you're

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here with this I've had your partner on

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many times uh Kathleen Martin oh yes and

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everybody knows my love and affection

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for Kathleen and Chuck is watching right

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now so hello Kathleen yeah now before we

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get started uh tonight Denise

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you get the First Time guest disclaimer

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which is this Denise it's just you and I

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just sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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conversation starts and starts where it

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ends and ends but we're gonna end as

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friends there you go you ready

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I'm ready okay one more time hi Kathleen

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I know you're watching I bet she is

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you know the other night uh I'm actually

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gonna start here uh this crazy thing

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happened and I thought

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um that that I had seen every

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documentary on UFOs ever made right okay

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it's it's what I do I love it so I'm

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sitting uh uh in bed after the show and

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I'm goofing around and there's Betty and

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Barney Hill that one what that's right

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beginning excellent documentary but

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there's Kathleen right that's right

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uh and uh What uh reminded me uh knowing

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that you were going to be on the show

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too that's a strange coincidence I might

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um here's as I'm watching uh the

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I'm reminded of uh abductions don't seem

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to have the conversation that they used

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to have and I I what do you think is

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there you know if you go back to of

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course Betty and Barney Hill right right

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and you've got Travis Walton you've got

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Calvin Parker and and the you know Betty

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um not much right since then but there

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is a lot of contact experiences are the

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abductions happening still as frequently

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but differently why don't we hear about

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them as much anymore

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well we're doing research on that and we

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think it should be worded differently

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and how something to do with the

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consciousness of all of us

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um more people who had claimed to be

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abducted also had near-death experiences

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they also claimed to have been in a

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place in time that was nothing like

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going through the tunnel and all of a

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sudden you're on Green Grass and

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flowering Fields it's not like that

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they're claiming something different and

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then I've started to ask what did you

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see there some people have seen their

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they're gray the one that escorted them

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could there be I just want your thoughts

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on this

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um that in years past E.T had a easier

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time of of just getting here and

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abducting right

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because we didn't know much about what

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today we have the technology uh you know

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satellites and radar and and ways of

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detecting and and now they don't have

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the free reign that they used to enjoy

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before do you think that's part of it

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that may be part of it but I also think

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of it as their technology advancing of

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course they're way farther ahead than we

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are and so they are taking us out of

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body rather than taking the body itself

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oh I see where you're going with this I

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see where you're going with this okay

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let's actually stay right there I I find

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that really interesting and one of the

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reasons for that is of course we still

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have you know metallic craft you know

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you know but we have a lot more uh

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interdimensional

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um interaction that is going on with the

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craft work they may not necessarily be

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as physical as they used to be and and

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what's going on with the abductions I

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think that's got a great deal to do with

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um and I experienced something similar

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to that back when my husband and I were

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taken out of the high desert in Colorado

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where orbs appeared and a blue beam

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appeared and then I felt like I had been

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totally scattered I couldn't see myself

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I didn't know who or where I was

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and then all of a sudden I was whole

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again and standing inside the craft

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uh can we talk about that let's back

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hold on let's not get ahead of our skis

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you can't just drop that and move on

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okay all right so what what happened and

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and you were with your husband yes

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um coming down across the high desert uh

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place called South Park Colorado it was

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a flat High Glacier High Desert area and

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we always drove to meet my parents at

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our Campground we both had mobile homes

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there and went for dinner got there

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before dark

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we came down off the first pass and I

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was watching lights out in the desert

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and then I watched them over the roof of

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the car and then I watched the car lift

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and it went off to the high desert there

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was nothing out there and when it landed

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it was a really unusual shape shape of

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an hourglass or two dishes inverted with

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the two bottoms touching and light

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spinning around

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and then that's all I remembered until

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we ended up over by the Collegiate Peaks

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on Trout Creek Pass headed for Buena

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Vista and it was pitch dark

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many hours had passed we had set the

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odometer it hadn't moved

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and we wondered okay what what happened

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we were afraid kind of disoriented and

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we decided to move on and head for the

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camp when we got there my parents and

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friends were walking down the road of

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course this was 1982 no cell phones they

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were going to use the campground phone

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to try and find out if we'd been

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in a hospital

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whatever abducted and so they saw the

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headlights of our car coming down the

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road down the dirt road and

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um my dad worked in Aerospace so he just

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said what happened I said we don't know

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he would leave it at that because he had

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a clearance where he worked my mom had

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to know everything

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so she just kept come on you have to

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know where were you what went on tell me

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about it we really didn't speak about it

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after that getting settled in having

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dinner and

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I kept saying I wonder if we were taken

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um didn't expect it and then it took

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myself calling a doctor

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who became a very good friend and

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hypnotist and we discovered what had

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happened

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but it stayed there we moved to Colorado

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or to Florida in 1985 and it wasn't

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until I met Kathleen and she became my

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hypnotist and investigator and we

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discovered him

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proud through the craft and

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you know what what does what does your

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husband think and and did you do there's

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a scene

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um that I love uh the interaction

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between Betty and Barney when

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um uh Betty's you know they're driving

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away and she says to him okay you

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believe in this crap now right and and

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is it what did you and your husband have

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a conversation like that after after the

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experience

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kind of we didn't say too much about it

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until he actually met Kathy and she put

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him under hypnosis and he allowed it to

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go to the point where we think he was on

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the craft also and then he stopped it he

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didn't want to see the entities I think

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that's what he was feeling good call

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good call I'm I'm with your husband on

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that one I'm with your husband

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um okay so now again uh without getting

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too far ahead of our skis let's back up

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for a second because 1982 you you have a

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high security job right you uh have a

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different mindset I'm assuming about

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life and something like this happens uh

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are you buying into it because of of the

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way you you need to think and and and

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you know live

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um well I was taken when I was two and a

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half years old when my mom was in the

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hospital giving birth to my sister so I

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remembered the little entity that came

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for me and I thought he just took me

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somewhere to play so I knew something

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had gone on I knew it had occurred I

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wasn't sure at that time we were in

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Colorado and I worked for National Park

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Service and it was a security situation

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because we were doing the planning

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design and construction of the first

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national park of Saudi Arabia called the

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so um working for that department of

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interior

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they were more accepting of things like

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that I could talk to my co-workers

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and they might not believe what I said

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what do you okay how do you how do you

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how do you start that conversation

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I mean I I I try I don't know you know

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when I meet somebody new or I've got

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somebody around me that I've never

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talked about this stuff before you got

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you kind of got to throw softball

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pitches right under on slow pitch right

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how do you do that with a co-worker

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well it was like family uh National Park

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Service was all like family we were all

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friends we all spent time together

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outside of work so we would be sitting

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having a drink after work out on Sims

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Landing is a place we went we could look

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out over the mountains and then the

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conversation would come up oh look at

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that it's getting dark

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um have you ever seen anything unusual

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come over the mountains that you

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couldn't explain just that's what I did

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a little stuff right little little stuff

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and what were their answers I mean I

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think we all see stuff in the sky did

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anything surprise you

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no no at that point nothing surprised me

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nothing bothered me I had been working

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by then with that with Dr romack going

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out to visit homes that were haunted but

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the people had also been abducted

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so we were running into a combination of

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things and and I was real careful how I

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spoke about that because then they would

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just tease me my co-workers like oh yeah

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pick up a ghost or two and hop on one of

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those flying things you know

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well everything is connected though

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it is you know everything is connected

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and uh you brought up Consciousness

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um in the beginning and so let's go back

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to that uh sure yeah because everything

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is connected but when we you and I

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tonight discuss Consciousness how do you

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approach it is consciousness

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um physical is it part of us or is it

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something that exists in the

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non-physical on the outside of us

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oh boy and that's complicated too I can

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give you an example of an your death

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experience I didn't go through a tunnel

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I I ended up in a situation where I felt

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I was a part of a living thing

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but I couldn't see it right I had all

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these little Electric

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sparkly things around me I felt a part

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of it I could see 360. I didn't have to

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turn around but then I said where am I

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what what am I supposed to look for I

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don't know who I am

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and when I said that they said oh you

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can separate out just think it and I saw

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an outline of Head Hands legs a torso

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but no real features but then I felt me

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again

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and they said c and now you're a part of

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the whole and I went back to whatever

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that was I still don't know

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how did you go back

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I oh back to my body yeah my a voice a

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male voice said

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um you can't come with us just now you

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can't come with us I was observing some

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beautiful purple lights way off in the

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distance and I said no I want to go

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there

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and they said oh no that's going to be

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some time you can't go there you have to

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go back and I started to resist I just

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thought I'll fight this

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and I felt two hands on the back of my

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shoulders pushed me

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and I tumbled over and over and over

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into the room where I was recovering

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from surgery

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and my mouth opened and I entered

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through my mouth

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then spun around and I woke up fighting

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just like there was when I entered

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wow that's interesting my my

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um

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uh I I I I can't really classify it as

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an nde because at the time I didn't know

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I didn't find out for a week or two

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while I was still in the hospital

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that uh I had four uh

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situations I was I was unconscious uh

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for four days when I first admitted to

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the hospital but that's neither here nor

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there I'm I'm fine today right but but I

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was pretty sick and I didn't find out

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till later but here's here's the trippy

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thing

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I didn't want to come back

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I was there for four days and it was

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glorious

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and it reminded me a little bit of what

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you just said about beating seeing in

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360. because I was I was in Blackness

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very hard to explain but it was all

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black but I could sense that 360 thing

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and I've talked about it before on the

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show but here I when I came back I just

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opened my eyes right Bing and I went

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where am I if I was the first thing I

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didn't know I was in the hospital yeah

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but the second thing was I was like

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Dorothy I'm like man I want to go back

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kind of cool my eyes yes it was uh it

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was just a very interesting experience I

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had no idea I didn't know where I was

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um but I liked it yeah that's that's the

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only way that I can explain it that

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doesn't mean I want to you know just

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write myself today and

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um no no it wasn't that good but

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not now but yeah but it was uh it was

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interesting the 360 Yes awareness

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um I definitely went through that total

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awareness and I completely changed the

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personality handwriting uh everything

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was different and people would say to my

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husband because I was in ICU so they

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couldn't all come in and then when they

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did they went out where's Denise that's

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not her

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well that you know I can I can step a

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little deeper and say

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I had gone back and taken the

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personality I was in my past life the

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life before this one I like to me better

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uh we like you just fine today though

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uh uh now are we are we suggesting here

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um that where science and physics and

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quantum physics are today the Multiverse

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parallel worlds uh interdimensional

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extra Dimensions all of those things

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that science is trying to teach us and

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make us aware of that E.T being more

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advanced than us totally understands

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these Concepts and that is what is

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happening they're coming into us

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um and into our world from you know an

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interdimensional aspect

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believe so uh Kathleen myself and a

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psychologist friend of ours are working

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with an individual who I guess they

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speak through him the Council of eight

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we have felt them in the room with us we

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have seen them I have used instruments

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uh to detect temperature that changes a

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variety of different things and they

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claim they are from another dimension

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and I believed him now uh Kathleen and I

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have talked about this before right or

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uh you guys have you you guys do this

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and you do have sensors and

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instrumentation that is live in the room

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yes you know when something is coming

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and going right what what what are what

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are some of these devices well basically

439
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a laser thermometer is real important

440
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because I take a reading of the room

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first okay and we have had several

442
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degrees I can't remember if it's six or

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seven rays and temperature

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um and then lowered back down when this

445
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gentleman begins to channel

446
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you can see it and then sometimes he

447
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becomes so overheated depending on which

448
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individual is speaking through him that

449
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when he comes out he is soaked just

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saturated he's gotten a little more used

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to it and he's not doing that quite as

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much but the temperature in the room

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still changes and we can feel Kathleen

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felt that I did and so didn't our our

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friend

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um

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static electricity is the best way to

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put it um

459
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I don't know how else to describe it

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we're raising our level of of what we

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can see hear and feel

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were you

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um uh refresh my memory

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were you with Kathleen when she was

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driving home after a conference and

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something strange happened yeah she was

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busy right yes

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her dad was in the back seat right right

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right right right right right okay

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um Kathleen I'm gonna get Denise's

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um this this was a remarkable uh

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situation and uh you guys were in

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Florida and and whose house were you

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driving to First Kathleen's or your car

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was somewhere else

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my car I pulled over in between where

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she lived and where we were going which

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was Tampa and I parked at a was a

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targeter at Kmart or one of those and

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left my car there we had done it before

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she picked me up and we went to the

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conference uh to the meeting and then on

483
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the way back her dad didn't want to miss

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a trick he did not want to lose

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conversation so we were all talking all

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chatting she was driving and all of a

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sudden I looked over my shoulder and I

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said Kathy your dad's guns sound asleep

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in the middle of a conversation

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and she said oh

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so I looked a little closer and I I

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guess he's all right

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um and then

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her car we were headed onto a highway

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felt like the nose of the car was going

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up in the air

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her navigation went Wacko and so she

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pulled off we knew where we were going

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at that point and could get home so

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um

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she looked checked everything out

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thought okay it's all right we're going

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back we made it to where my car was

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I wore an insulin pump and I had my cell

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phone and I had my car there and I was

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going to call my husband my phone was

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dead

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my insulin pump I checked before I left

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the battery had died on that my

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adjustable mirrors gone

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um several things the radio in the car

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everything quit except for the engine

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and the headlights so I used her phone

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to call my husband

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she headed home

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I thought I'm going to take a shortcut

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I'm tired it's late and there's lots of

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traffic it was a holiday of some kind

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and so I took the shortcut

520
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and then all of a sudden I didn't know

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where I was

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and I looked around and I was in a

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driveway that sloped down in a in a half

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circle I was at the bottom of it anybody

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on the road they wouldn't have seen me

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and there was an E.T picking up from

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behind the tree

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and I saw a big globe

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that was entering or exiting the lake I

530
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don't remember which I have to be honest

531
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there Kathy would remember

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and I got home and if something was just

533
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really wrong and I called her and I said

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look I got home late and I shouldn't

535
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have and I had told my husband not to

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worry when I used her phone so he didn't

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if I tell him he's not going to worry

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she said can you come back over tomorrow

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that I arranged was a day or two I went

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over and she came out with a try meter

541
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that measures you know the electric and

542
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:28,260
magnetic Etc and my car it zeroed out

543
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,539
the needle went she said let me try

544
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something I've never done it before she

545
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took it inside took a base reading and

546
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then she said it and said come and walk

547
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up to it I couldn't get within 10 feet

548
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of it it spiked the needle on that

549
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trimeter

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so we tested her and her husband she

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sets It Off I brought it home tested

552
00:25:54,909 --> 00:25:53,059
with my husband nothing nothing myself

553
00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:54,919
being

554
00:26:01,970 --> 00:25:59,100
so we've discovered that abduction can

555
00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:01,980
cause that needle to spite with

556
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:04,200
individuals that have been in certain

557
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,620
circumstances with those crafts do you

558
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,640
think

559
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:10,860
um I I know this is kind of a loaded

560
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:12,659
question but

561
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:15,480
do you think that they knew who they

562
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,100
were interacting with I'm talking about

563
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:19,440
you and Kathleen and of course now now

564
00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:22,260
her dad is is party to this now too as

565
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:25,559
well I I talked to Kathleen about that

566
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,440
um but you know what I mean it just it

567
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:31,679
doesn't sound too random does it no it

568
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:32,700
doesn't

569
00:26:37,789 --> 00:26:36,000
um because of the way that Kathy and I

570
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:37,799
met

571
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,460
um she moved to Florida we find out that

572
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,159
my dad was born in New Hampshire

573
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:46,080
so I went there a lot I had other

574
00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:49,440
relatives there and then

575
00:26:54,529 --> 00:26:52,500
she lived in Crested Butte Colorado was

576
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,539
just down the road from us one way in

577
00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:56,400
and one way out when we lived in

578
00:27:02,450 --> 00:26:59,400
Gunnison and we probably saw the same

579
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,460
craft in broad daylight on the same day

580
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:05,100
we may have been taken there and that's

581
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,220
going way back to the 70s but we hadn't

582
00:27:11,649 --> 00:27:09,840
met yet

583
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:11,659
interesting

584
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:13,740
have you

585
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:17,520
um uh this this has been coming up a lot

586
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,380
lately

587
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:22,320
um a negative experience versus a

588
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:25,919
positive experience and you know you get

589
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,860
two experiencers together that have had

590
00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:30,960
different experiences they're going to

591
00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:33,240
argue about this yeah you know I'm gonna

592
00:27:36,610 --> 00:27:35,460
say hey

593
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:36,620
um and

594
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:39,779
they're okay they're here to help us and

595
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:42,120
then you have others out there like

596
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:46,500
screw that that's true I had a very bad

597
00:27:52,010 --> 00:27:48,740
no I never want to go through that again

598
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:52,020
why why the difference is it is it just

599
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:53,039
different

600
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:56,220
ET you know races and species that that

601
00:28:03,409 --> 00:27:59,880
are visiting us why is one abduction

602
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,419
experience a positive one and why is you

603
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:05,520
know why are others so negative

604
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:08,279
I think it's good guys and bad guys just

605
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,140
like we have

606
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,440
um and if you stop and think that these

607
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:16,020
entities how would they know our

608
00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:18,120
alphabet how would they know our number

609
00:28:23,149 --> 00:28:21,059
system how would they know you know just

610
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:23,159
speaking to them they might not

611
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:27,480
understand our language and they had a

612
00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:30,059
task to complete and they did now I

613
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,480
think I agreed to this I think I signed

614
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,279
something that said this is what you're

615
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:36,960
going to do

616
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:41,159
um and I'm okay with it and I have an

617
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:42,799
escort my ET

618
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:46,500
he's my companion on The Craft

619
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,779
he gave me some tours that were

620
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:51,360
fascinating to see the core of the ship

621
00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:52,140
that

622
00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:55,880
was just highly emotional for me

623
00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:58,860
I don't like a certain race

624
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:01,380
I had one in my bedroom and I just went

625
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:02,720
uh no

626
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:05,640
I'm not going with you I think I was

627
00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,500
taken once and that was it they gave up

628
00:29:14,590 --> 00:29:10,020
on me but uh

629
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:14,600
yeah I think there's a lot involved here

630
00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:16,200
what

631
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:26,100
negative experience

632
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:29,640
I think cruelty and harm when there's no

633
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:33,120
attempt made to cause that person to to

634
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,940
be all right with it to ease up with it

635
00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:38,880
mine would touch my forehead took away

636
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:40,860
fear and pain

637
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:43,320
it was gone

638
00:29:48,289 --> 00:29:45,899
um I was afraid when they came to get me

639
00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:48,299
and took me to the craft

640
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:50,700
if I was aware of it which I was some of

641
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:54,200
the time but other than that no

642
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,520
fascinating fascinating and not to go

643
00:30:03,649 --> 00:29:59,760
back to Betty and Barney Hill uh but

644
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,659
um I there are similarities

645
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:06,480
um with Betty Andreessen Betty and

646
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:08,820
Barney Hill uh Calvin Parker and

647
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:11,820
certainly Travis Walton yes that

648
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,419
um uh now Whitley uh just got a a

649
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,360
different take on things

650
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:20,399
um and I respect everybody right

651
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,020
everybody's had their own experiences

652
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:24,480
now I never interviewed Betty and Barney

653
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:27,419
obviously I've certainly talked to

654
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:29,820
Kathleen about it enough and I've read

655
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:33,179
the books and and stuff anyway

656
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:35,820
um oh I've got a strange interrupted

657
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:37,860
Journey story

658
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:45,889
thing as a whole

659
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:48,720
when Betty and Barney were driving back

660
00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:50,039
home

661
00:31:01,970 --> 00:30:58,330
hear me out though yeah okay compared to

662
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:01,980
their reactions during hypnosis and the

663
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,980
regression that was pain that was fear

664
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,440
that was that was just it was it was

665
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,559
it's hard to listen to yeah and and it's

666
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:12,480
also hard to read but after the

667
00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:15,240
experience itself

668
00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:18,299
um I think that it wasn't a negative

669
00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:20,760
experience until

670
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,059
um they had the sessions done

671
00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:26,720
um and I think in a general sense

672
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:30,299
including Whitley this seems to be the

673
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:31,799
case that

674
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:34,380
they are able to make sure that we don't

675
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,440
remember or recall the negative aspects

676
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:38,640
of it

677
00:31:45,889 --> 00:31:43,740
um because there are parts and pieces

678
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,899
that I don't recall Kathy helped to

679
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:47,760
bring some back

680
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:50,399
um using hypnosis to put some of those

681
00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:53,220
pieces together but then as soon as we

682
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,620
did and we we got the information that

683
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:57,840
we felt was a fit

684
00:32:03,409 --> 00:31:59,820
um I forgot

685
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,419
I cannot recall that clearly it just it

686
00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:06,000
doesn't work for me and I'll ask her did

687
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:09,960
we did we have this happen did we yes

688
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:14,640
so she can tell me about it I can't

689
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:17,340
um is this stuff that you is this stuff

690
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,659
that you need to know or I mean for me I

691
00:32:25,789 --> 00:32:23,279
don't know if I've ever been abducted

692
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:25,799
okay Denise I I don't know

693
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:29,520
but I also don't want to know you know

694
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:34,500
that's me that's me I'm I'm fine

695
00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:38,340
yeah I'm fine okay I'm okay

696
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,440
um is it the same with is this stuff

697
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:42,960
that you need to know or is there stuff

698
00:32:47,510 --> 00:32:44,940
that you you know what you just want to

699
00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:47,520
leave in the box and not open it no I

700
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:49,500
want the Box open some people don't and

701
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:51,779
I warned them about it I got to have the

702
00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:55,320
Box open I had some work done again it

703
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:58,200
was Kathleen did some hypnosis I said

704
00:33:03,769 --> 00:33:01,140
take me back to that past life I want to

705
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:03,779
relive certain aspects of it I want to

706
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,340
see if I had crafts that then yes I did

707
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:10,559
so now I'm beginning to work with others

708
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:13,919
who if they want hypnosis I asked them

709
00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:16,140
would you be willing to see if you had a

710
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:18,659
past life and if so were you involved

711
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:20,820
with the crafts back then

712
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:23,220
all right how was the how how are the

713
00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:26,640
crafts changed I I'm so fascinated with

714
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:29,640
this I'm a I'm a student of history and

715
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,279
in UFO history and I go back and I I

716
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,039
just look and I see I know my own

717
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:37,440
experiences and I've seen both right

718
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:40,380
I've seen physical craft I've seen stuff

719
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,340
that is pretty freaking out there but

720
00:33:48,649 --> 00:33:46,559
but I've seen both but there's been

721
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:48,659
transitions

722
00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:50,519
um how would the craft change over the

723
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:51,899
years

724
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,080
well I think an advanced craft that I

725
00:33:59,389 --> 00:33:56,640
was shown

726
00:34:02,630 --> 00:33:59,399
um is what's being flown today or at

727
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:02,640
least that was the Forerunner because it

728
00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:05,940
was hourglass shaped it was clear at

729
00:34:12,169 --> 00:34:08,940
times I could see all around as if I

730
00:34:15,169 --> 00:34:12,179
wasn't in a physical structure and then

731
00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:15,179
uh the ET said would I like a tour of

732
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:16,859
the core of the ship

733
00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:19,919
how big okay let's let's actually look

734
00:34:26,209 --> 00:34:22,740
these are my notes for the show

735
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:26,219
tour of the ship right

736
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,020
[Music]

737
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:30,720
um how how big of a craft was it from

738
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:32,280
the outside

739
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:37,440
it was way bigger than our vehicle which

740
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:40,200
it was a Ford Granada back then

741
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:43,080
um that was new so I would say

742
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:47,099
um it see it changed it warped it caused

743
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:51,200
that beam it so I'm gonna guess

744
00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:54,300
maybe half a football field no I'm just

745
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:56,820
not sure okay 50 yards that's a good

746
00:35:02,750 --> 00:34:59,880
sized craft okay all right uh there was

747
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:02,760
so much going on in there and he took me

748
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:05,880
around the corner around a curve and he

749
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,339
said this is this is and he didn't use

750
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,560
the word core of the ship and he was

751
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:13,440
something like operating system and I

752
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:15,780
stepped in and I realized I was on a

753
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:19,020
walkway and the water not the water the

754
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:22,140
floor on the sides of the walkway was

755
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:25,980
all liquid it was red and it was flowing

756
00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:29,040
and moving so I'm observing that and

757
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:31,859
then I look up and at the far end of the

758
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:36,000
room is something that is

759
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:38,339
um like a human

760
00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:42,180
it's mechanical biological organic you

761
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:45,140
name it it was there

762
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,200
and I said oh no this can't be and I

763
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:51,440
felt like a heart beating the whole room

764
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:53,460
was beating

765
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:57,599
and I said what is this and they

766
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:00,720
answered and said this is what operates

767
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:03,599
the ship there are many of us and I

768
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:05,940
realized that she it was a she was

769
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:09,119
speaking to me and I thought how could

770
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:12,540
they do this to someone like this for a

771
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:15,540
lifetime to operate and she said oh you

772
00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:18,180
think that I am trapped here you're

773
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:19,859
wrong

774
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:23,880
I can leave when I want to I can be she

775
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,920
didn't use the word excuse but she said

776
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:28,160
this is a working

777
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,460
device and there are many of us and we

778
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,680
all communicate we all know where each

779
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:35,760
other

780
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,660
exists at any point in time and yet when

781
00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:42,060
we have to meet the mothership and she

782
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:43,800
didn't use that term

783
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:47,640
we all go and join we can all reach that

784
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,960
huge craft but I could not get over the

785
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:54,240
emotions that that created for me I

786
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:57,720
still feel it when I think about it

787
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:00,480
um help me understand

788
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:04,079
um uh again what you're describing here

789
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:06,359
you're going up the walkway you've got

790
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:09,060
the liquid the the red liquid on both

791
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:13,140
sides of the walkway use at the end of

792
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:17,280
the walkway was this being yeah and then

793
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,320
that was the being that was talking to

794
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:21,599
you yeah I got you

795
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:24,780
um was uh was there anybody with you

796
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:28,800
anybody else on the walkway no well the

797
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:31,800
E2 was behind me okay that E.T that's

798
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:34,800
the one okay so what did that ET look

799
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:35,700
like

800
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:42,480
five and a half feet tall maybe cut

801
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:46,320
close to six feet yeah okay now can we

802
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,079
back up a little bit let's back up you

803
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,599
said that there was

804
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,000
um an E.T looking behind looking at you

805
00:37:59,089 --> 00:37:55,440
behind a tree

806
00:38:00,490 --> 00:37:59,099
yes okay so that's when you first pulled

807
00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:00,500
up in this

808
00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:04,140
in in the round driveway

809
00:38:10,609 --> 00:38:06,680
right yeah okay

810
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,619
was that ET that was looking at you was

811
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:12,960
that the one with you on the walkway

812
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:15,420
I don't think that time that it was I

813
00:38:19,870 --> 00:38:17,400
think it was another one um but every

814
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:19,880
other time it was the same one

815
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,380
interesting interesting

816
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:24,480
um anything negative about the tall gray

817
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:28,260
no everything's cool right everything's

818
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:30,300
cool yeah

819
00:38:35,089 --> 00:38:33,300
um any communication uh between I'm

820
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,099
gonna get back to the being at the end

821
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:37,020
of the walkway that's really got my

822
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:41,400
attention but the tall gray

823
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:45,599
um how uh what was your perception

824
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:50,220
um robotic mechanical biological what

825
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:54,720
um any interaction closer to human

826
00:39:00,589 --> 00:38:57,960
um and he just I just heard what he was

827
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:00,599
saying it was telepathic he never

828
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:03,540
touched me unless he wanted to soothe me

829
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:06,060
or take away pain

830
00:39:10,490 --> 00:39:07,500
um when they were doing whatever

831
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:10,500
experiment it was that was necessary for

832
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:12,420
Their scientist which was another thing

833
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:13,980
altogether

834
00:39:17,329 --> 00:39:14,760
um

835
00:39:20,569 --> 00:39:17,339
and when I was young when he came to get

836
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:20,579
me he was shorter he had grown Through

837
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:24,000
The Years taller but I knew it was the

838
00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:25,980
same one no one could have told me

839
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,500
different and if you put them on a

840
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:31,079
lineup let's say you go to jail you put

841
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:33,660
all the ETS in a lineup I could find

842
00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:36,320
mine but I don't think anyone else could

843
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:44,870
not that I ever asked for okay okay I

844
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:48,800
didn't know how how tight you two were

845
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:50,700
so

846
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:55,320
um but that's interesting and you

847
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,500
um you recognized him was it the same

848
00:40:06,290 --> 00:40:01,680
coming back from him you know there was

849
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:06,300
this connection yeah wow wow and now I

850
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:09,000
think he has aged I never thought he

851
00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:11,099
would and it was kind of a shock when I

852
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:13,980
thought oh he's older would anyone else

853
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:17,220
see it I doubt it what made you think

854
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:19,079
can I ask what made you think he was

855
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:21,000
older uh wrinkles

856
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,079
uh he doesn't have gray hair but no he

857
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:27,359
doesn't no

858
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:30,060
um it's real subtle but yes there are

859
00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:32,940
some little extra folds right again in

860
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:35,820
his neck and a little bit more creasing

861
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:37,500
up here on the forehead

862
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:40,380
yeah um telepathic I'm not making light

863
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,320
of this Denise okay but I'm going to ask

864
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,640
the obvious question

865
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:48,720
telepathically so how have you been

866
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:50,839
right

867
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:54,119
how how are things going how's married

868
00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:57,180
life uh anything like that any

869
00:41:01,490 --> 00:40:58,680
no

870
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:01,500
um he basically only communicated what

871
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:04,800
was absolutely necessary other than that

872
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,380
he was quiet and I just knew what I was

873
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,119
supposed to do

874
00:41:14,089 --> 00:41:10,800
what about dress

875
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:14,099
did he have clothes on yeah

876
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:16,440
um uh any

877
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:19,380
any you see you called me he

878
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:22,740
oh yes okay how did how do you know he

879
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,599
was a he

880
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:27,200
oh my that's interesting

881
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:31,920
he's naked he's naked was that why no

882
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:35,339
there was nothing uh that you could tell

883
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:38,040
you couldn't tell okay

884
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:41,280
I just knew I meant like when I first

885
00:41:45,410 --> 00:41:42,780
looked at Whitley strieber's book

886
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,420
communion like a many other people did I

887
00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:48,000
looked at that and I knew it was a male

888
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,280
but then when he came out with a ladder

889
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,040
book I knew it was female just by

890
00:41:59,329 --> 00:41:55,680
looking at the face on the book

891
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:59,339
how do I know I can't I can't explain it

892
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:01,619
I'm not wearing makeup there's no facial

893
00:42:07,069 --> 00:42:04,680
hair there's how do you know I mean you

894
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:07,079
could just tell I could just tell I just

895
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:10,800
it's something instinctively that I know

896
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:14,760
I asked um I asked Travis once and I

897
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:15,960
didn't

898
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:18,900
he laughed about it but I wanted to know

899
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,000
because he said

900
00:42:28,190 --> 00:42:24,000
a male and a female entered the room

901
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:28,200
right and and I said did she have my

902
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,619
makeup I mean how do you know did she

903
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,560
smell differently right how do you know

904
00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:36,000
he said to me I've never been asked that

905
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:37,400
question before

906
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,400
and I don't remember

907
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:43,680
um is there something

908
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:46,920
um that outwardly says male and female

909
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,460
because also uh we're gonna get to the

910
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:52,560
being at the end of the walkway you said

911
00:42:58,670 --> 00:42:54,660
she was a she

912
00:43:01,790 --> 00:42:58,680
okay how do you know these things

913
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:01,800
I knew that was a female and I knew the

914
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:04,140
majority of those who were in the same

915
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:07,740
position that she was were females I I

916
00:43:11,530 --> 00:43:08,940
don't know

917
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:11,540
that's just what I know

918
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:15,000
I'm picturing okay I want you to

919
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,140
describe uh the being at the end of the

920
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:22,020
walkway because visually I'm picturing

921
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:23,640
something large

922
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:25,619
um this is the operational system of the

923
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:28,200
ship can you describe what she looked

924
00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:29,520
like

925
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:33,240
yeah she had uh she had features she had

926
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:35,220
eyes nose

927
00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:37,980
um and what I think was a mouth but

928
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:40,760
that's where some of the Botanical

929
00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:44,579
organic stuff began to grow

930
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:47,099
um there was what I thought was hair

931
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,859
because it was darker than the plant

932
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:52,260
life that was a part of her and then

933
00:43:59,150 --> 00:43:55,740
there was tubing just an enormous amount

934
00:44:00,829 --> 00:43:59,160
of tubing that looked similar to that

935
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:00,839
hose that you have in the back of your

936
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:03,960
dryer that kind of accordion type stuff

937
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,200
it looked similar to that except I felt

938
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:09,119
like if I touched it that it was not

939
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:11,339
going to be flexible

940
00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:14,640
so uh you know there's a there's a game

941
00:44:20,089 --> 00:44:17,700
I like to play plankton

942
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,099
Flora or fauna

943
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,760
right so you don't have to answer that

944
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,740
but her

945
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:28,380
you're describing both

946
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:33,119
three things mechanical yeah organic

947
00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:37,440
she was human I mean not what we are but

948
00:44:43,609 --> 00:44:41,819
she had volunteered for that uh control

949
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:43,619
of that craft

950
00:44:49,569 --> 00:44:46,440
Botanical what a what did a what an

951
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:49,579
amazing word to use when when you're

952
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:52,380
okay now I'm just trying to visually

953
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:54,119
picture this

954
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:57,480
they've been uh Botanical green

955
00:45:01,970 --> 00:45:00,839
vegetable yes really and what color was

956
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:01,980
her skin

957
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:06,420
um it was

958
00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:09,900
kind of a tan a beigey tan but there

959
00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:13,740
there was a lot of black in it that it's

960
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,900
it changed the tint

961
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:18,480
as I looked at it was it shadowing maybe

962
00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:21,000
hmm

963
00:45:26,690 --> 00:45:23,579
like bark

964
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,700
no no I could tell it was skin I could

965
00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:28,319
tell it was skin although I thought it

966
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:30,780
would be rough if I touched it

967
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:34,319
um her nose was very narrow

968
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:35,280
um

969
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:37,859
it was it was very

970
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:39,420
oh gosh

971
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:42,960
long ago European the statues that that

972
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:46,500
had uh very much I can't think of the

973
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:49,920
word where everything was very fine sure

974
00:45:54,849 --> 00:45:53,280
sure what else was fine yeah yeah Greek

975
00:45:58,910 --> 00:45:54,859
Greek yeah yeah

976
00:46:01,309 --> 00:45:58,920
wow wow okay how tall was she

977
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,319
taller than me and I was standing on the

978
00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:04,319
platform and where she ended I could see

979
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:06,780
the top of the platform so she was

980
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:08,700
probably

981
00:46:14,290 --> 00:46:10,500
um seven feet

982
00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:14,300
you know this is a movie right

983
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:18,599
oh my God the movie

984
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:22,200
um okay and now okay you describe her as

985
00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:26,240
human so two arms two legs fingers

986
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:29,579
didn't see that you didn't you only saw

987
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:33,420
her torso I saw her head her what I

988
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:35,579
thought was hair her neck and the

989
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:39,119
beginning of the shoulders and so is

990
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,359
that where the mechanical part comes in

991
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:45,359
yes that was all but was kind of behind

992
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:47,960
her but there was so much

993
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:51,119
overgrowth of this stuff

994
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:54,180
and and I think that it was also a part

995
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:57,060
of what kept her alive it was a form of

996
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:04,430
um wow wow wow okay then

997
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:09,240
um did no arms no how okay so she's

998
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:12,060
controlling the ship

999
00:47:18,650 --> 00:47:15,839
with her mind yeah I'm I'm guessing here

1000
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:18,660
but is that what you think I think so

1001
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,700
um and you know people will try to talk

1002
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:22,380
me out of it they'll try to say that's

1003
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,140
not what you saw oh yes it was and I

1004
00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:26,640
wouldn't have had the emotion I still

1005
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:29,099
see it when I think about it now

1006
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:31,740
I recall I remember I remember that room

1007
00:47:36,589 --> 00:47:33,780
beating like a heart

1008
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,599
Kathleen had me under hypnosis to take a

1009
00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:38,160
really good look at it

1010
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:41,400
and I started to react she was a little

1011
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:44,280
bit afraid so brought me out she thought

1012
00:47:49,309 --> 00:47:46,140
she said it looked like somebody was

1013
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:49,319
throwing beanbags at me my muscles were

1014
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,140
it looked like they were being hit so

1015
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:54,480
she brought me to

1016
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:57,420
and she said okay this is what happened

1017
00:48:02,030 --> 00:48:00,180
how much do you remember and I said I

1018
00:48:04,030 --> 00:48:02,040
want you to take me back and I want you

1019
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:04,040
to videotape it

1020
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,720
and we did and and it happened again and

1021
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,240
we stayed there until we got through

1022
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,599
what we wanted to see wow wow wow wow

1023
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:17,040
wow okay

1024
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:19,380
um how long were were you on the ship do

1025
00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:22,140
you have any idea

1026
00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:25,079
um well the ship in in Colorado yes

1027
00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:28,280
about maybe two and a half hours three

1028
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:33,060
wow okay and now so you've described it

1029
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,720
as a tour of the ship yeah and when you

1030
00:48:42,109 --> 00:48:38,400
first entered you're on this walkway

1031
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,119
with the with the red liquid

1032
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:45,119
um that was that what else did you see

1033
00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:48,180
on the ship I saw a smaller Grays all

1034
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:50,760
lined up against the wall you know back

1035
00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:52,920
to front back to front and not a one of

1036
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:55,619
them moved unless they were told to so I

1037
00:49:03,109 --> 00:48:59,400
got the strong feeling they were robots

1038
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,119
and uh how many uh how many was it just

1039
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:06,480
one open area or were there no rooms

1040
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,780
there were rooms and what did you see

1041
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:12,000
well where I was taken

1042
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:13,859
um for them to do some sort of

1043
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:15,780
experiment on me

1044
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,260
um testing that I call him the doctor he

1045
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:21,599
was insectoid

1046
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:24,540
and he was not certain I don't think of

1047
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,240
what my reaction was going to be of

1048
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,000
testing me he stuck things up my nose he

1049
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:33,839
did all kinds of things and when I

1050
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:35,880
screamed at him I yelled at him to cut

1051
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:39,780
it out knock it off and he turned his

1052
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:42,660
head at an angle to me and picture a

1053
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:45,300
praying mantis and moved right up close

1054
00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:48,800
and he looked like what is she doing

1055
00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:52,980
he didn't understand the emotions at all

1056
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,720
was there any communication no no no

1057
00:50:04,010 --> 00:49:59,040
um

1058
00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:04,020
just didn't want

1059
00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:07,079
that no that was pain and that's the

1060
00:50:13,309 --> 00:50:10,200
very first time I'm pretty sure that the

1061
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:13,319
E.T the gray touched my forehead and I

1062
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:15,780
just completely relaxed

1063
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:20,280
like morphine kind of yeah yeah

1064
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:22,619
um not that I would know what that felt

1065
00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:27,300
like but okay so you get

1066
00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:28,619
um

1067
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:31,980
uh you you calm down and you're not

1068
00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:34,740
feeling did the protesting stop too as

1069
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:36,660
well were you just like in a relaxed

1070
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:39,660
State very relaxed yeah and I was also

1071
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:41,819
thinking okay we're gonna get through

1072
00:50:45,730 --> 00:50:44,220
this we'll just get it over with and I

1073
00:50:48,049 --> 00:50:45,740
just kind of

1074
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,059
relaxed with it and it was right after

1075
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,640
that I don't know if it was an award for

1076
00:50:54,589 --> 00:50:52,800
behaving that's when he took me to the

1077
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:54,599
core of the ship

1078
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,260
and what that was the okay hold on I

1079
00:51:02,930 --> 00:51:00,480
think I have the timeline messed up was

1080
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:02,940
the core of the ship the Botanical being

1081
00:51:10,329 --> 00:51:07,680
yes okay so that happened later yeah oh

1082
00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:10,339
so they went straight to the experiments

1083
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:14,280
get that over with I guess right okay

1084
00:51:18,530 --> 00:51:17,460
okay okay okay okay let's let's uh when

1085
00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:18,540
when

1086
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:19,260
um

1087
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:23,280
uh when you entered we've heard so many

1088
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:26,339
different experiencers talk about uh

1089
00:51:31,069 --> 00:51:28,980
these situations

1090
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,079
um everything is different I don't think

1091
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:33,119
it's the same yeah I don't think it's

1092
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:35,940
the same group of ETS

1093
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:39,480
um uh but uh what was that room like did

1094
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:41,220
you know what you were

1095
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:44,520
what you were about to encounter when

1096
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:46,680
you saw the room

1097
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:49,440
wasn't sure no I was a little bit

1098
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:51,780
curious a little bit leery kind of like

1099
00:51:56,750 --> 00:51:54,780
a cat hiding behind the table peeking

1100
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:56,760
out to see what was going on so it was

1101
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,760
that sense I'm not sure do I want to

1102
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:01,920
take another step forward I knew I had

1103
00:52:05,569 --> 00:52:03,540
no choice

1104
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:05,579
um so yeah that kind of

1105
00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:09,300
yeah were you being led

1106
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,599
yeah you were so did

1107
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:14,400
um somebody in front of you somebody in

1108
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:18,420
back of you next to me didn't have to

1109
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:21,180
um try and block me from leaving I just

1110
00:52:28,490 --> 00:52:24,780
knew keep moving forward step forward a

1111
00:52:30,349 --> 00:52:28,500
little more into that room there yeah

1112
00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:30,359
um I want to back up for a quick second

1113
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:33,960
you described the Craft

1114
00:52:40,730 --> 00:52:36,300
um as clear

1115
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:40,740
yeah some of the time it was uh-huh

1116
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:44,160
um so stealthy you know what I mean a

1117
00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:46,200
few times yes now you would see through

1118
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:49,460
it like you would see through it yeah

1119
00:52:54,490 --> 00:52:52,980
okay okay and did that uh when you

1120
00:52:59,150 --> 00:52:54,500
stepped inside

1121
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:59,160
the walls are solid yes they were solid

1122
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:01,740
how confused were you and you must have

1123
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:07,260
just gone uh I was I was very confused

1124
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,000
um of course I didn't know at the time

1125
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,280
who I was going to talk to or should I

1126
00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:13,200
talk to anyone

1127
00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:18,119
um you're just in a befuddled mess for a

1128
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,960
while for a long while yeah

1129
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:24,240
um the okay

1130
00:53:29,870 --> 00:53:27,420
so back to the room so you're the cat

1131
00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:29,880
peeking out

1132
00:53:33,470 --> 00:53:32,280
and and what do you see you know when

1133
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:33,480
you

1134
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:38,280
description and and Whitley's and his

1135
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:41,579
description yeah uh Calvin Parker's uh

1136
00:53:45,890 --> 00:53:43,380
description is that's right right

1137
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:45,900
everybody's got a a pretty interesting

1138
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:48,720
take but they've all used the word

1139
00:53:55,970 --> 00:53:53,400
sterile and like they knew uh something

1140
00:53:58,809 --> 00:53:55,980
was there there was an examination that

1141
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,819
was about to happen you see that

1142
00:54:02,650 --> 00:54:01,440
describe the room was there a table and

1143
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:02,660
yes

1144
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:06,660
everything kind of melded into the floor

1145
00:54:12,109 --> 00:54:09,300
there were no nuts and bolts no seams no

1146
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:12,119
nothing it was all one piece and it was

1147
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:15,480
a brushed metal look to it

1148
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:17,940
um it's the table was cold

1149
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,660
um and it could move but I wondered how

1150
00:54:25,970 --> 00:54:24,000
they were doing certain things

1151
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,980
um because that table could go up and

1152
00:54:30,829 --> 00:54:28,319
down they could tip it one of the things

1153
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:30,839
I did is a seven-year-old child it's a

1154
00:54:35,809 --> 00:54:33,720
wonder my mother didn't hang me I could

1155
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:35,819
not get the picture of this chair they

1156
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:38,940
put me in back at seven years old so I

1157
00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:40,800
took a bobby pin I would sit at the top

1158
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,839
of the stairs and try to etch it into

1159
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:44,480
the wallpaper

1160
00:54:50,089 --> 00:54:47,700
and she'd say if you do that again I'm

1161
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,099
gonna cut your arms off gonna and I'd

1162
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:52,559
say okay and then I'd get another bobby

1163
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:55,260
pin and away I'd go I've never been able

1164
00:55:01,309 --> 00:54:57,900
to draw it perfectly but it was the same

1165
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,319
thing when I was an adult the same piece

1166
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:02,960
of equipment

1167
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:06,960
I hope this isn't too sensitive in

1168
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:10,260
um uh Betty and Barney and I've heard

1169
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:12,119
this same thing but Betty and Barney

1170
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,319
they started off on their stomachs yeah

1171
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:18,720
right they had their back examined first

1172
00:55:24,049 --> 00:55:21,900
and their their vertebrae and and the

1173
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:24,059
spine I should say

1174
00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:28,020
um what did did you start off on your

1175
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:30,359
back or were you always on your back or

1176
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:33,599
your stomach I I was always on my back

1177
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:35,160
um

1178
00:55:41,089 --> 00:55:38,760
okay hello okay repeat repeat you froze

1179
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,099
for just a second are you on your back

1180
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:42,720
or your stomach

1181
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,839
only the chair even though it was metal

1182
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:48,480
it could all change shape

1183
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:52,440
so they would sit me half up and have

1184
00:55:56,990 --> 00:55:55,380
sitting position they did put the needle

1185
00:55:59,569 --> 00:55:57,000
in the navel

1186
00:56:01,730 --> 00:55:59,579
um that was done

1187
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:01,740
and I swung at him that time that was

1188
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,900
what made me yell and yeah wow wow okay

1189
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:08,880
um Denise stay right there we need to

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Denise Stoner and we're talking about

1298
01:00:46,910 --> 01:00:42,059
alien abductions and uh Denise I wanted

1299
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,920
to ask uh a couple of like logistical uh

1300
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:48,240
questions

1301
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:51,599
um do you have a count how many

1302
01:00:58,490 --> 01:00:55,380
abduction experiences have you had

1303
01:01:01,970 --> 01:00:58,500
from age two and a half until about five

1304
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:01,980
years ago I would say 50.

1305
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:07,200
five zero five zero yeah fifty and your

1306
01:01:11,569 --> 01:01:10,020
last experience was five years ago about

1307
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:11,579
five years ago it was more of a

1308
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:14,940
visitation they did not take me

1309
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:17,819
um it was one that showed up the ET

1310
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:20,940
showed up in my back room I opened the

1311
01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:23,839
door in the evening and there he was

1312
01:01:28,970 --> 01:01:26,940
and I don't recall what that was all

1313
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:28,980
about if I was told something just

1314
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:31,740
letting me know he was still there

1315
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:33,540
um I don't know

1316
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:38,400
with um uh I I keep going back to Travis

1317
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:41,640
and Betty and and stuff like that where

1318
01:01:48,370 --> 01:01:45,440
um uh Travis described

1319
01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:48,380
I think his description was a sphere

1320
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:50,760
right it was a ball

1321
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:53,700
um I've seen different takes on it but

1322
01:01:58,130 --> 01:01:55,500
that's a basic thing

1323
01:02:02,569 --> 01:01:58,140
um Betty and Barney that was that was a

1324
01:02:06,049 --> 01:02:02,579
saucer shaped craft with Windows on it

1325
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:06,059
um you uh describe one of the craft as

1326
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:10,020
uh an hourglass clear shaped craft about

1327
01:02:15,049 --> 01:02:12,180
50 yards wide

1328
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:15,059
um how have a craft for you changed over

1329
01:02:20,329 --> 01:02:16,559
the years

1330
01:02:22,370 --> 01:02:20,339
well they have changed exponentially I

1331
01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:22,380
would say because of their ability to

1332
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:23,940
cloak

1333
01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:26,880
um or not and there are some very large

1334
01:02:31,730 --> 01:02:28,740
units out there

1335
01:02:35,329 --> 01:02:31,740
um there's a possibility that Kathleen

1336
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:35,339
and I were on the same ship at one point

1337
01:02:42,530 --> 01:02:39,839
and I never heard or read or

1338
01:02:44,809 --> 01:02:42,540
had someone speak to me about a craft

1339
01:02:48,049 --> 01:02:44,819
that had a balcony

1340
01:02:50,809 --> 01:02:48,059
and this craft had a balcony I was taken

1341
01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:50,819
here out of my home in Florida and

1342
01:02:56,510 --> 01:02:54,180
wherever we were was cold it could have

1343
01:02:59,150 --> 01:02:56,520
been Colorado could have been Sweden

1344
01:03:01,870 --> 01:02:59,160
Norway you name it I looked below and

1345
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:01,880
saw a little A-frame buildings

1346
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:05,760
but back inside they were forming lines

1347
01:03:10,910 --> 01:03:08,760
the ETS there were different kinds and

1348
01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:10,920
they were not happy with what was going

1349
01:03:18,190 --> 01:03:14,280
on in the decision they had made to work

1350
01:03:21,309 --> 01:03:18,200
this project there were several many

1351
01:03:24,650 --> 01:03:21,319
humans on The Craft

1352
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:24,660
I possibly saw Kathy take a young

1353
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,720
woman's hand and run down the hall and

1354
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,760
duck into a room as if she was trying to

1355
01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:30,720
hide

1356
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:33,960
then I found out later that yes if it

1357
01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:36,240
was not the same craft she was on with

1358
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,480
me it was one similar she was afraid to

1359
01:03:43,849 --> 01:03:41,760
go out on that balcony because of

1360
01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:43,859
gravity I thought we were going to fall

1361
01:03:47,809 --> 01:03:44,760
off

1362
01:03:50,329 --> 01:03:47,819
and I knew because when the balcony

1363
01:03:53,030 --> 01:03:50,339
pulled out and we went down and stepped

1364
01:03:55,370 --> 01:03:53,040
out onto it they said step forward and

1365
01:03:57,890 --> 01:03:55,380
you felt something you couldn't fall off

1366
01:04:00,609 --> 01:03:57,900
it held you

1367
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:00,619
um what was it

1368
01:04:06,289 --> 01:04:02,460
what do you mean

1369
01:04:07,569 --> 01:04:06,299
um a balcony

1370
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:07,579
um yeah

1371
01:04:11,569 --> 01:04:10,680
we I have a balcony on the back of my

1372
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:11,579
house

1373
01:04:19,549 --> 01:04:16,319
okay I I don't or use are you describing

1374
01:04:21,710 --> 01:04:19,559
it similar to that

1375
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:21,720
um I just I just got back from a cruise

1376
01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:26,400
okay oh yeah and uh my state room I had

1377
01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:28,500
a balcony right sliding glass door

1378
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:31,020
stepped out I got a couple of chairs and

1379
01:04:36,410 --> 01:04:34,500
a table and it's a balcony and a rail is

1380
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:36,420
that what you are describing something

1381
01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:39,599
like that this opened up from the back

1382
01:04:45,289 --> 01:04:41,940
of the craft it was big and it pulled

1383
01:04:48,109 --> 01:04:45,299
out and there were it was sectioned off

1384
01:04:51,289 --> 01:04:48,119
as a matter of fact I recognized someone

1385
01:04:53,390 --> 01:04:51,299
who lives in this town ask them later if

1386
01:04:55,069 --> 01:04:53,400
they owned an outfit like and I

1387
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:55,079
described it and they said yeah but

1388
01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:57,059
you'd never see it I only wear that at

1389
01:05:00,829 --> 01:04:57,900
home

1390
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:00,839
so that verified for me this individual

1391
01:05:06,349 --> 01:05:03,839
had been on the craft and we were all

1392
01:05:08,329 --> 01:05:06,359
sectioned off you could look over the

1393
01:05:11,030 --> 01:05:08,339
edge there were no there was no

1394
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:11,040
furniture nothing like that and the ship

1395
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:12,540
tipped

1396
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,480
and you could see big Granite Cliffs

1397
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,000
and pine trees and

1398
01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:20,960
that type of area

1399
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,599
and we were there for a purpose

1400
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:26,880
and I didn't like the purpose I don't

1401
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:29,760
think that the ETS did either

1402
01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:34,020
um but they said we will tell you we had

1403
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:38,760
a black box each of us no seams

1404
01:05:44,210 --> 01:05:41,160
um I felt like there was something very

1405
01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:44,220
precious there that I had responsibility

1406
01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:46,140
for

1407
01:05:52,010 --> 01:05:48,839
and then when we reached the balcony and

1408
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:52,020
they said we'll tell you you drop it

1409
01:05:58,370 --> 01:05:55,200
so they signaled us and I reached over

1410
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:58,380
and dropped the Box off the balcony and

1411
01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:00,960
I watched and when it got close to the

1412
01:06:06,170 --> 01:06:03,960
home the little A-frame it completely

1413
01:06:07,549 --> 01:06:06,180
disintegrated it sparkled and

1414
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:07,559
disintegrated

1415
01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:10,799
I couldn't see anything after that

1416
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:13,020
um and I kept saying what is this what

1417
01:06:19,069 --> 01:06:16,559
am I holding I don't understand I felt

1418
01:06:23,809 --> 01:06:19,079
something that I shouldn't have been

1419
01:06:27,950 --> 01:06:23,819
doing and they said what is in there we

1420
01:06:29,150 --> 01:06:27,960
have contained The Living soul of a new

1421
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:29,160
hybrid

1422
01:06:32,329 --> 01:06:30,839
to be born

1423
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:32,339
in that home

1424
01:06:37,010 --> 01:06:35,760
below you and that was the purpose of

1425
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,020
this

1426
01:06:42,529 --> 01:06:40,079
project why why were they why were they

1427
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:42,539
upset about this purpose

1428
01:06:46,809 --> 01:06:44,880
well I think they thought that we should

1429
01:06:50,329 --> 01:06:46,819
be dropping our own

1430
01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:50,339
souls and be responsible for those they

1431
01:06:54,890 --> 01:06:52,500
didn't want to do it

1432
01:06:57,049 --> 01:06:54,900
um the whole thing was scrambled there

1433
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,059
were people trying to run away it was a

1434
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:59,760
huge ship I turned around from the

1435
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,920
balcony and I Could Touch the surface

1436
01:07:08,049 --> 01:07:04,319
but I could not see the other end I

1437
01:07:11,210 --> 01:07:08,059
could not see it was huge it was rough

1438
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:11,220
it was not shiny

1439
01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:12,960
um and

1440
01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:15,180
I knew what we were supposed to do that

1441
01:07:20,329 --> 01:07:18,359
there was no way out when I got back

1442
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,339
home my husband was sitting at the

1443
01:07:25,309 --> 01:07:22,799
computer in the other room from our

1444
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:25,319
bedroom he came in and he said

1445
01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:28,140
were you taken I I have that feeling he

1446
01:07:32,510 --> 01:07:30,180
described it as coming out of anesthesia

1447
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:32,520
and I said yeah

1448
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,240
and my night clothes uh and my feet were

1449
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,400
frozen my cheeks were all rosy red like

1450
01:07:44,329 --> 01:07:40,559
I'd been out in the cold this is Florida

1451
01:07:46,370 --> 01:07:44,339
it was not cold so

1452
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:46,380
um yeah

1453
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,020
um Linda Moulton Howe has written about

1454
01:07:52,849 --> 01:07:51,359
and spoken about I've talked to her

1455
01:07:56,029 --> 01:07:52,859
about this

1456
01:07:58,849 --> 01:07:56,039
um Soul containers

1457
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:58,859
um is is is that what you're referring

1458
01:08:02,690 --> 01:08:01,260
to here were these boxes containing

1459
01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:02,700
Souls

1460
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:04,440
yes

1461
01:08:09,529 --> 01:08:07,680
they were and I knew it I felt it I was

1462
01:08:11,809 --> 01:08:09,539
emotional about it I didn't want to do

1463
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:11,819
it nobody else did either

1464
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:15,000
but but everybody did tossed the boxes

1465
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:18,420
off the balcony yes

1466
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,000
um Kathleen remembers being on a balcony

1467
01:08:26,030 --> 01:08:23,520
and afraid that the gravity you know

1468
01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:26,040
wouldn't hold her

1469
01:08:31,130 --> 01:08:28,440
to to the floor

1470
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:31,140
um but I've never discussed with her

1471
01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:39,349
what's your takeaway here

1472
01:08:47,450 --> 01:08:44,100
uh and and I mean you probably have a

1473
01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:47,460
hundred takeaways but is this like what

1474
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:49,739
you know David Jacobs and others have

1475
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:52,799
have talked about this uh hybrid you

1476
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:55,920
know this hybrid uh program that is

1477
01:09:01,729 --> 01:08:58,620
going on I'm specifically talking about

1478
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,739
the black boxes and the balcony

1479
01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:04,319
um what's your what's your takeaway is

1480
01:09:12,530 --> 01:09:06,359
is there

1481
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,540
I wish I knew if there was a reason I do

1482
01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:14,880
know that whatever was in there was

1483
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,940
going to a human mother

1484
01:09:21,709 --> 01:09:20,400
um it was going to be born with gifts I

1485
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:21,719
don't know if you want to call in the

1486
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:23,460
indigo children or the you know

1487
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,299
especially uh special abilities uh

1488
01:09:32,689 --> 01:09:29,279
possibly to predict

1489
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,699
um events coming in the future or to I

1490
01:09:37,789 --> 01:09:35,279
just had all those mixed feelings that's

1491
01:09:39,769 --> 01:09:37,799
what was in that container a very

1492
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:39,779
special child

1493
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:43,140
is this something that

1494
01:09:47,769 --> 01:09:45,540
um is going on all the time do you think

1495
01:09:50,450 --> 01:09:47,779
that this is

1496
01:09:52,130 --> 01:09:50,460
I just thought of another question that

1497
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,140
I meant to ask a few minutes ago I'll

1498
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:54,239
Circle back to that is this something

1499
01:10:00,290 --> 01:09:57,900
that is just going on across the country

1500
01:10:02,570 --> 01:10:00,300
boy I I don't know there were so many

1501
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:02,580
people on that one Craft

1502
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:04,500
um and again we're not sure but we think

1503
01:10:10,970 --> 01:10:07,440
that Kathy might have been on there

1504
01:10:11,689 --> 01:10:10,980
um and trying to run away or hide

1505
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:11,699
um

1506
01:10:15,290 --> 01:10:13,860
and everybody just in a state of

1507
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,300
confusion

1508
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:17,040
um but yet they knew they had to get us

1509
01:10:22,729 --> 01:10:20,159
under control get us in line there was a

1510
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:22,739
walkway going to the right one to the

1511
01:10:28,689 --> 01:10:26,400
left and a massive console that that was

1512
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:28,699
the operation of that particular craft

1513
01:10:33,229 --> 01:10:31,860
totally different from the living being

1514
01:10:37,010 --> 01:10:33,239
now

1515
01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:37,020
um the other humans uh that were on this

1516
01:10:41,229 --> 01:10:38,699
craft were they

1517
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:41,239
um I'm just gonna ask directly were they

1518
01:10:45,410 --> 01:10:44,100
Americans or did we have

1519
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:45,420
different

1520
01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:48,420
countries represented

1521
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:51,060
I knew that two of the people didn't

1522
01:10:56,810 --> 01:10:54,420
speak English that had been taken um and

1523
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:56,820
since it was night time I was taken from

1524
01:11:02,930 --> 01:10:59,760
my bed but there was a woman dressed to

1525
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:02,940
the hilt in the most beautiful gown and

1526
01:11:09,050 --> 01:11:05,760
just draping with jewelry and the fancy

1527
01:11:12,169 --> 01:11:09,060
scarf that blew in the wind and

1528
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:12,179
um I had fiery red hair I had a feeling

1529
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:15,199
she came from somewhere else

1530
01:11:21,229 --> 01:11:17,820
interesting yeah

1531
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:21,239
um fascinating fascinating okay so what

1532
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:24,719
um uh when everything started to kick

1533
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:27,600
off back in the 2017.

1534
01:11:33,169 --> 01:11:31,140
New York Times and we all you know we we

1535
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,179
know what has happened since then

1536
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:36,000
Congress Washington DC Department of

1537
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:39,540
Defense and and and and and so forth

1538
01:11:45,530 --> 01:11:44,340
um but uh when you saw those videos and

1539
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:45,540
I'm not saying that those videos

1540
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:49,800
represent UFOs or anything E.T but was

1541
01:11:54,649 --> 01:11:52,320
there anything that you saw in those

1542
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:54,659
videos that reminded you of your own

1543
01:12:01,010 --> 01:11:56,480
experiences

1544
01:12:03,770 --> 01:12:01,020
yeah there are books there are people

1545
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:03,780
um and more and more are starting to

1546
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,420
compare notes we're discovering the

1547
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:08,159
commonalities

1548
01:12:12,830 --> 01:12:09,960
um where do these people want to go now

1549
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:12,840
what do they expect in sharing their

1550
01:12:16,910 --> 01:12:15,120
experiences and yes there are a lot of

1551
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,920
commonalities

1552
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:18,960
the um

1553
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:21,920
the hearings that we've had

1554
01:12:27,050 --> 01:12:24,960
have centered around the military aspect

1555
01:12:31,490 --> 01:12:27,060
of this

1556
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:31,500
um I am curious if uh experiencers will

1557
01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:34,320
speak in front of Congress do do you

1558
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:39,950
not right now

1559
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,340
I think that they're they're tiptoeing

1560
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:47,760
through a very dense forest

1561
01:12:53,450 --> 01:12:50,460
um as far as our government other

1562
01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:53,460
governments and what they want to say

1563
01:12:59,330 --> 01:12:57,300
what what kind of story do they want to

1564
01:13:02,209 --> 01:12:59,340
come up with to make it easier for

1565
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:02,219
people to understand that these visitors

1566
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:10,850
another comment that has been made

1567
01:13:15,530 --> 01:13:13,739
um both with like Susan Goff of the

1568
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:15,540
Department of Defense but other

1569
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:17,520
Witnesses

1570
01:13:22,850 --> 01:13:19,739
um that have spoken

1571
01:13:25,310 --> 01:13:22,860
um uh to Congress and to the Senate that

1572
01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:25,320
they don't know what's going on right

1573
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:28,140
the the the phenomena seems to be

1574
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,040
happening but we don't know nothing are

1575
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:34,560
you buying that part of the story

1576
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:38,520
no wow I'm not

1577
01:13:44,030 --> 01:13:41,280
um well first of all having worked for

1578
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:44,040
the government and discounting uh

1579
01:13:50,450 --> 01:13:47,280
Department of interior but the military

1580
01:13:52,610 --> 01:13:50,460
they didn't want me doing what I do for

1581
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,620
a hobby even after hours

1582
01:13:58,490 --> 01:13:54,960
um and I was the type it was a little

1583
01:13:59,930 --> 01:13:58,500
edgy so if they would come and say you

1584
01:14:02,270 --> 01:13:59,940
know you really shouldn't be doing this

1585
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,280
not necessary to do that we're

1586
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:04,320
developing everything we need here in

1587
01:14:11,870 --> 01:14:07,920
this research facility and I said

1588
01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:11,880
no you're not and so they said well what

1589
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:13,320
do you what do you mean and I said

1590
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:15,239
that's that's about it if you don't want

1591
01:14:20,450 --> 01:14:17,880
me doing this you certainly don't want

1592
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:20,460
me to open up about it so then I would

1593
01:14:26,209 --> 01:14:23,520
test I brought a little piece of stained

1594
01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:26,219
glass that said be still a no somebody

1595
01:14:30,350 --> 01:14:28,860
walked into my office and said what is

1596
01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:30,360
that what does that mean what are you

1597
01:14:35,450 --> 01:14:33,420
trying to say you're up to no good

1598
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:35,460
so yeah

1599
01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:39,480
yeah there is also do we have do we have

1600
01:14:46,490 --> 01:14:42,600
craft in our possession

1601
01:14:48,590 --> 01:14:46,500
I believe so yeah oh there seems to be a

1602
01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:48,600
lot of chatter right now going on about

1603
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:53,580
this in in an official capacity

1604
01:14:59,810 --> 01:14:57,360
um you know from the Senate the the uh

1605
01:15:03,830 --> 01:14:59,820
the Wilson Davis document uh was brought

1606
01:15:06,830 --> 01:15:03,840
up at the UFO hearing uh last year with

1607
01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:06,840
Andre Carson of Indiana

1608
01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:10,500
um it would I don't think that the

1609
01:15:14,750 --> 01:15:13,260
senate or the intelligence committee or

1610
01:15:16,370 --> 01:15:14,760
any you know the House of

1611
01:15:20,090 --> 01:15:16,380
Representatives I don't think that they

1612
01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:20,100
have any idea about this and it's kind

1613
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,440
of shocking to them

1614
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:24,480
I think that's true

1615
01:15:29,709 --> 01:15:26,880
um I had the opportunity to meet and

1616
01:15:33,890 --> 01:15:29,719
speak to Paul Hellyer the former

1617
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:33,900
Minister of Defense of Canada and he

1618
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:35,040
said

1619
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:37,260
There Are UFOs they are from somewhere

1620
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:40,800
else and I know it and he explained to

1621
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:42,780
me said you know one of our presidents

1622
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,600
made a deal and thinking they had

1623
01:15:48,770 --> 01:15:47,760
control of this little contract they had

1624
01:15:51,229 --> 01:15:48,780
made

1625
01:15:54,410 --> 01:15:51,239
we didn't have control of anything when

1626
01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:54,420
it came to our visitors and some of us

1627
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:57,900
being taken they agreed to so many

1628
01:16:03,290 --> 01:16:00,719
but aftermath of that was we'll take

1629
01:16:05,390 --> 01:16:03,300
whoever we want

1630
01:16:08,890 --> 01:16:05,400
we have something going here we're going

1631
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:08,900
to take them until

1632
01:16:14,930 --> 01:16:11,280
are you suggesting that we just don't

1633
01:16:16,669 --> 01:16:14,940
have any control over this nope no I

1634
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:16,679
don't believe we do

1635
01:16:24,290 --> 01:16:19,199
and E.T doesn't

1636
01:16:27,530 --> 01:16:24,300
care well look I I don't mean it like

1637
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:27,540
that yeah but I do

1638
01:16:33,950 --> 01:16:31,920
in that we're we're out capturing

1639
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:33,960
um you know when you were a kid you had

1640
01:16:39,010 --> 01:16:36,239
a little bug jar when you're throwing

1641
01:16:42,169 --> 01:16:39,020
out okay you know fireflies and bees

1642
01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:42,179
with that with without any concern about

1643
01:16:48,350 --> 01:16:45,300
the bee family or the firefight family

1644
01:16:50,270 --> 01:16:48,360
that you separated you know and we're

1645
01:16:52,729 --> 01:16:50,280
just out do it is is it like that with

1646
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,739
E.T with with humans

1647
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:54,960
I think I think it's close let's I'd

1648
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:58,560
step it up a couple of steps um I was a

1649
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:01,920
scuba diver and I I taught scuba but

1650
01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:04,800
then I carried it a little further I

1651
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,800
went to the underwater caves

1652
01:17:13,610 --> 01:17:09,840
um both in Mexico and here in Florida

1653
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:13,620
diving in the aquifer and I could not

1654
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:15,120
resist

1655
01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:17,640
wanting to see what was around the next

1656
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:20,820
Corner thousands of feet carrying tanks

1657
01:17:27,649 --> 01:17:25,380
leaving oxygen for decompression as I

1658
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,659
went thousands of feet into the aquifer

1659
01:17:30,770 --> 01:17:29,520
that you had to come out before you

1660
01:17:34,130 --> 01:17:30,780
could go up

1661
01:17:35,450 --> 01:17:34,140
and I was watching fossils from many

1662
01:17:38,450 --> 01:17:35,460
many

1663
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:38,460
years and years away sticking out of the

1664
01:17:43,010 --> 01:17:41,280
walls and I kept thinking what am I

1665
01:17:44,930 --> 01:17:43,020
going to see around the next Corner what

1666
01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:44,940
kind will that be what will I have to

1667
01:17:51,290 --> 01:17:46,380
work with

1668
01:17:55,070 --> 01:17:53,209
it is

1669
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:55,080
curiosity

1670
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,040
um

1671
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:01,679
I had a couple of experiences in the

1672
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:05,760
ocean here in Florida where I saw

1673
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:06,960
things

1674
01:18:12,169 --> 01:18:09,120
we were doing a night dive and we saw

1675
01:18:14,689 --> 01:18:12,179
these things that were curlicue and long

1676
01:18:16,669 --> 01:18:14,699
and I put my glove up to touch them and

1677
01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:16,679
then I'd look and they'd disappear I

1678
01:18:21,709 --> 01:18:19,620
pulled a jar from my vest I vest tried

1679
01:18:23,810 --> 01:18:21,719
to capture some in there as soon as I

1680
01:18:26,090 --> 01:18:23,820
put the lid on they were gone but then

1681
01:18:29,090 --> 01:18:26,100
they'd come and Flash in our face and

1682
01:18:32,990 --> 01:18:29,100
then disappear and our boat captain was

1683
01:18:35,930 --> 01:18:33,000
a former Navy SEAL so he Dove them and

1684
01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:35,940
he Dove for recreational purposes and he

1685
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:37,260
had never he said I don't know what

1686
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:38,880
you're talking about

1687
01:18:44,570 --> 01:18:42,239
I don't know what those are

1688
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:44,580
what do you what do you think the

1689
01:18:52,250 --> 01:18:48,239
purpose of the hybridization program is

1690
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:52,260
is it possibly to occupy Earth to

1691
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:54,000
prepare

1692
01:18:58,370 --> 01:18:56,760
ET for occupation here or is there

1693
01:19:02,030 --> 01:18:58,380
something else going on

1694
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:02,040
I think using and mixing the DNA and

1695
01:19:07,250 --> 01:19:04,500
this just totally my feeling

1696
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,260
I don't have anything to base it on to

1697
01:19:12,770 --> 01:19:09,840
improve who we are as humans and to

1698
01:19:15,370 --> 01:19:12,780
improve who they are as E.T and from

1699
01:19:17,810 --> 01:19:15,380
other planets

1700
01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:17,820
was there any

1701
01:19:27,649 --> 01:19:24,120
that were taken

1702
01:19:30,110 --> 01:19:27,659
um yes from me yes

1703
01:19:32,209 --> 01:19:30,120
um when I woke up one morning I woke up

1704
01:19:34,910 --> 01:19:32,219
hitting the floor I was a couple of feet

1705
01:19:38,570 --> 01:19:34,920
above the floor next to my bed and I

1706
01:19:41,330 --> 01:19:38,580
slammed down and I started looking I

1707
01:19:44,090 --> 01:19:41,340
felt like I had just been returned I had

1708
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:44,100
bruises and marks that took pictures and

1709
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:46,320
Kathleen has those

1710
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:47,040
um

1711
01:19:53,090 --> 01:19:50,400
and when I was that's another story

1712
01:19:55,610 --> 01:19:53,100
um but I think I was healed

1713
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:55,620
that time that I went to that other

1714
01:20:01,790 --> 01:19:59,040
place that near-death experience

1715
01:20:05,630 --> 01:20:01,800
um it's written in my medical jacket and

1716
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:05,640
Kathleen has that that said I expelled

1717
01:20:09,290 --> 01:20:07,679
from and again I I don't know if you

1718
01:20:12,410 --> 01:20:09,300
want to put this on the air but from

1719
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:12,420
every orifice of violent purple liquid

1720
01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:17,520
they could not find out what it was but

1721
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:20,340
a funny nurse came to my bed I have a

1722
01:20:24,770 --> 01:20:23,280
drawing of her and I had an artist do

1723
01:20:27,169 --> 01:20:24,780
that for me

1724
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:27,179
she lifted me off the bed I remember

1725
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,480
that changed the sheets settled me back

1726
01:20:35,090 --> 01:20:32,880
down and said I'm going to take this to

1727
01:20:37,970 --> 01:20:35,100
the lab for your doctor

1728
01:20:40,430 --> 01:20:37,980
she was gone the sheets were gone they

1729
01:20:43,729 --> 01:20:40,440
never reached the lab there was only a

1730
01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:43,739
small Mark of that stuff on my hospital

1731
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:46,679
gown and they couldn't figure out what

1732
01:20:49,149 --> 01:20:47,760
it was

1733
01:20:59,570 --> 01:20:49,159
uh

1734
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:01,189
what

1735
01:21:11,950 --> 01:21:05,520
purple liquid from every your word was

1736
01:21:16,910 --> 01:21:14,930
I have I can't even wrap my head around

1737
01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:16,920
that statement

1738
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:20,100
um yeah so describe the liquid

1739
01:21:25,790 --> 01:21:23,280
I saw it um it was

1740
01:21:28,430 --> 01:21:25,800
of violent purple just like they

1741
01:21:31,070 --> 01:21:28,440
described it and it was a little thicker

1742
01:21:34,010 --> 01:21:31,080
than water I saw it absorb into the

1743
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,020
sheets I know I can put my hand where it

1744
01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:35,760
was on the Gown

1745
01:21:41,209 --> 01:21:38,940
um and in the end the end result I had

1746
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,219
the near-death experience and I was

1747
01:21:49,070 --> 01:21:43,920
given only 20 chance to live that's when

1748
01:21:58,250 --> 01:21:54,890
um uh uh Eyes Ears Nose mouth and and a

1749
01:22:00,530 --> 01:21:58,260
couple of other exit points too

1750
01:22:02,750 --> 01:22:00,540
yes

1751
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:02,760
um and the nurse took off um she didn't

1752
01:22:07,729 --> 01:22:06,120
look normal she had great big great big

1753
01:22:10,729 --> 01:22:07,739
almond eyes

1754
01:22:14,510 --> 01:22:10,739
and a nurse's cap that was from the

1755
01:22:18,590 --> 01:22:14,520
1940s the same with her dress and she

1756
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:18,600
said everything's going to be all right

1757
01:22:25,250 --> 01:22:22,080
I had had a double stroke damage to my

1758
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:25,260
brain stem I couldn't speak or walk they

1759
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:28,020
took me into surgery and they removed

1760
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:30,480
all but three feet of my small intestine

1761
01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:36,830
but no mention in your medical records

1762
01:22:42,110 --> 01:22:40,980
about this purple liquid just that

1763
01:22:44,450 --> 01:22:42,120
statement

1764
01:22:46,669 --> 01:22:44,460
that that's they saw it that it was

1765
01:22:49,149 --> 01:22:46,679
there this was the color of it and they

1766
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:49,159
had no explanation for it and and and

1767
01:22:55,250 --> 01:22:53,580
obviously no test results no okay so

1768
01:22:57,229 --> 01:22:55,260
what's your best guess what do you think

1769
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:57,239
that was

1770
01:23:03,169 --> 01:22:59,040
I felt like

1771
01:23:05,330 --> 01:23:03,179
and again it's is this real is it not as

1772
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:05,340
far as what I'm going to say that I was

1773
01:23:12,830 --> 01:23:08,400
cleansed of something

1774
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:12,840
yeah okay okay I need to understand

1775
01:23:19,970 --> 01:23:15,840
um uh what we're talking okay you said

1776
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:19,980
you were 20. yep okay you had a double

1777
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:23,600
stroke yes a double stroke okay

1778
01:23:28,850 --> 01:23:26,400
and you were in the hospital because of

1779
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:28,860
this right and that's where this

1780
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:29,760
happened

1781
01:23:36,890 --> 01:23:33,360
yeah it did so this wasn't this wasn't

1782
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,900
regression therapy this wasn't no this

1783
01:23:41,390 --> 01:23:39,120
wasn't an abduction experience this was

1784
01:23:42,830 --> 01:23:41,400
an actual event in a hospital with you

1785
01:23:46,430 --> 01:23:42,840
yeah

1786
01:23:49,790 --> 01:23:46,440
when the nurse came in I looked at her

1787
01:23:53,149 --> 01:23:49,800
and I thought oh you look familiar but

1788
01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:53,159
you're not one of our nurses this kept

1789
01:23:57,890 --> 01:23:55,260
scrambling in my brain

1790
01:24:01,010 --> 01:23:57,900
because by then I had gotten some

1791
01:24:05,390 --> 01:24:01,020
control of everything again

1792
01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:05,400
um and yet I had this pain that they

1793
01:24:08,510 --> 01:24:06,900
couldn't they couldn't figure out what

1794
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,520
was going on with me that's why I ended

1795
01:24:13,070 --> 01:24:10,320
up in surgery

1796
01:24:15,709 --> 01:24:13,080
um and I had blood clots from my pelvic

1797
01:24:18,169 --> 01:24:15,719
area to my brain they could not figure

1798
01:24:20,450 --> 01:24:18,179
out how those blood clots got through my

1799
01:24:22,610 --> 01:24:20,460
stomach my heart my lungs without

1800
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:22,620
killing me

1801
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:26,400
that's incredible and when you uh when

1802
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:28,320
you left the hospital after that how did

1803
01:24:36,290 --> 01:24:31,920
you feel you said you felt cured

1804
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:36,300
oh I felt fantastic yeah I did

1805
01:24:41,570 --> 01:24:38,880
um they told me I'd never be able to go

1806
01:24:43,729 --> 01:24:41,580
to work they told me that oh there were

1807
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:43,739
lots of things that I shouldn't do I had

1808
01:24:49,850 --> 01:24:46,800
to learn to drive again and I did and

1809
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:49,860
the scuba diving I should never have

1810
01:24:56,350 --> 01:24:52,800
done that but I did it anyway

1811
01:25:00,649 --> 01:24:56,360
um I didn't know that I shouldn't have

1812
01:25:02,810 --> 01:25:00,659
when um we are talking about the

1813
01:25:05,930 --> 01:25:02,820
abduction experience one of the things

1814
01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:05,940
that fascinates me probably the most

1815
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,260
about this is that there are millions of

1816
01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:12,960
people out there that have these

1817
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:14,280
experiences

1818
01:25:22,610 --> 01:25:19,679
and it can't be some Mass psychosis

1819
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:22,620
oh no I mean people don't even know

1820
01:25:26,209 --> 01:25:23,880
people

1821
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:26,219
um their stories vary

1822
01:25:32,510 --> 01:25:29,760
so drastically but at the same time it

1823
01:25:34,130 --> 01:25:32,520
comes to the same conclusion they were

1824
01:25:36,970 --> 01:25:34,140
taken they were in some sort of craft

1825
01:25:40,910 --> 01:25:36,980
they saw these entities

1826
01:25:43,010 --> 01:25:40,920
that didn't look human at all they were

1827
01:25:44,050 --> 01:25:43,020
told in some instances where they were

1828
01:25:46,910 --> 01:25:44,060
from

1829
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:46,920
described the way they lived

1830
01:25:51,290 --> 01:25:49,199
and there were healings

1831
01:25:53,570 --> 01:25:51,300
there are people that I know because I'm

1832
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:53,580
I'm working with it that have been

1833
01:25:58,430 --> 01:25:55,860
healed by ETS

1834
01:26:00,350 --> 01:25:58,440
Kathleen's one of them and that's all I

1835
01:26:02,270 --> 01:26:00,360
could say about that unless she told it

1836
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,280
herself yeah right right right right

1837
01:26:04,930 --> 01:26:04,320
right right

1838
01:26:09,169 --> 01:26:04,940
um

1839
01:26:10,850 --> 01:26:09,179
but but this is this is what I'm I'm

1840
01:26:14,930 --> 01:26:10,860
getting to

1841
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:14,940
it seems that if if millions of people

1842
01:26:21,470 --> 01:26:19,199
are having uh the same experiences

1843
01:26:23,149 --> 01:26:21,480
um how many are keeping it inside of

1844
01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:23,159
themselves

1845
01:26:29,870 --> 01:26:25,800
um and are not talking about it

1846
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:29,880
um it seems that uh we all know somebody

1847
01:26:35,629 --> 01:26:32,760
that has had an experience and so it

1848
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:35,639
becomes a numbers game this is a huge

1849
01:26:42,050 --> 01:26:38,639
amount of people that are having these

1850
01:26:44,330 --> 01:26:42,060
experiences and it's it's it's not again

1851
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:44,340
it's you can't strike it up to

1852
01:26:51,709 --> 01:26:48,000
imagination or movies or bad dreams

1853
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:51,719
no and people that have helped us in for

1854
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:54,719
30 to 40 years and are just now saying

1855
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,080
I'm going to spill it I'm 70 I'm 80. I'm

1856
01:27:03,229 --> 01:27:00,719
going to tell and I think that my

1857
01:27:06,169 --> 01:27:03,239
parents were taken to

1858
01:27:08,990 --> 01:27:06,179
um and describe I know mine were I I can

1859
01:27:12,770 --> 01:27:09,000
describe what what my dad saw at the

1860
01:27:14,689 --> 01:27:12,780
bedroom he was a a bomber in the war and

1861
01:27:16,490 --> 01:27:14,699
so he knew planes he knew what was

1862
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:16,500
supposed to be there and when I was just

1863
01:27:21,229 --> 01:27:19,199
a little kid he and my mom went to bed

1864
01:27:22,910 --> 01:27:21,239
we were all on the third floor my

1865
01:27:26,810 --> 01:27:22,920
grandparents and he saw out the window

1866
01:27:28,669 --> 01:27:26,820
lights coming towards the windows and he

1867
01:27:31,370 --> 01:27:28,679
said to my mom they were just laying

1868
01:27:34,490 --> 01:27:31,380
there talking if that comes any closer

1869
01:27:36,770 --> 01:27:34,500
it's going to hit the house his normal

1870
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,780
reaction would be to run down the hall

1871
01:27:41,330 --> 01:27:39,120
and rescued my sister and I my

1872
01:27:44,030 --> 01:27:41,340
grandparents got us out of there the

1873
01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:44,040
next thing he knew it was morning

1874
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:47,159
it seems to be generational I mean we

1875
01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:50,639
hear this over and over again

1876
01:27:55,610 --> 01:27:54,300
um there he just reminded me of of

1877
01:27:58,850 --> 01:27:55,620
something

1878
01:28:02,209 --> 01:27:58,860
I was in my uh you're gonna love this

1879
01:28:06,189 --> 01:28:02,219
I'm I'm in my dentist's office

1880
01:28:10,810 --> 01:28:06,199
okay my dentist name was JJ okay

1881
01:28:14,030 --> 01:28:10,820
uh German Asian German Japanese okay

1882
01:28:16,090 --> 01:28:14,040
Mama's German how do I know this I knew

1883
01:28:20,270 --> 01:28:16,100
it was Mom and his mom

1884
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:20,280
uh was probably when I met her in her

1885
01:28:27,890 --> 01:28:23,600
early 70s and she was his receptionist

1886
01:28:31,010 --> 01:28:27,900
so I'm in the waiting room

1887
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:31,020
um this is probably 98 or so but I've

1888
01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:34,320
got Phillip Corso's book yeah and I'm

1889
01:28:38,570 --> 01:28:37,080
reading it in the waiting room she sees

1890
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:38,580
what you know to me what are you reading

1891
01:28:42,110 --> 01:28:39,840
I said well you know this new book

1892
01:28:46,129 --> 01:28:42,120
though of course a while as well and

1893
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:46,139
this is what she says to me Denise now

1894
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:49,280
never talked to her about UFOs you know

1895
01:28:55,610 --> 01:28:53,040
right this is a dentist office waiting

1896
01:28:59,209 --> 01:28:55,620
room I'm waiting to get my teeth cleaned

1897
01:29:02,890 --> 01:28:59,219
or whatever all right she goes

1898
01:29:05,149 --> 01:29:02,900
I was abducted by aliens

1899
01:29:08,990 --> 01:29:05,159
oh my

1900
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:09,000
God it is 70 year old German lady who I

1901
01:29:13,610 --> 01:29:11,280
love she's great it's looking at me

1902
01:29:16,189 --> 01:29:13,620
straight in my eyes and I said what are

1903
01:29:19,570 --> 01:29:16,199
you talking about she goes World War II

1904
01:29:23,390 --> 01:29:19,580
we were all taken down we were in London

1905
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:23,400
bombs are coming in and uh all the

1906
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:25,199
families in our building went downstairs

1907
01:29:31,490 --> 01:29:28,080
into the bomb shelter or more we're all

1908
01:29:34,010 --> 01:29:31,500
in there okay and she goes and then they

1909
01:29:35,570 --> 01:29:34,020
abducted me the little et's showed up

1910
01:29:39,530 --> 01:29:35,580
and and took me

1911
01:29:41,570 --> 01:29:39,540
and she said they brought me back

1912
01:29:44,750 --> 01:29:41,580
um four I think she said four or four

1913
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:44,760
hours four hours later and dropped her

1914
01:29:52,450 --> 01:29:47,040
off back in the bomb shelter and she

1915
01:29:58,970 --> 01:29:56,390
this is just one room right one room

1916
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:58,980
with four families in it and I just

1917
01:30:04,669 --> 01:30:01,679
disappeared for four hours and it was my

1918
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:04,679
little E.T friends that took me now uh

1919
01:30:08,689 --> 01:30:07,440
here's what here's what's crazy about

1920
01:30:10,490 --> 01:30:08,699
that story

1921
01:30:13,550 --> 01:30:10,500
I believe her

1922
01:30:16,370 --> 01:30:13,560
right and how many people have this kind

1923
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:16,380
of story she was going to talk to me

1924
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:20,159
about it but I this wasn't

1925
01:30:26,930 --> 01:30:24,000
um uh a crazy imagination

1926
01:30:29,450 --> 01:30:26,940
she was not in the room and they were

1927
01:30:32,330 --> 01:30:29,460
freaking out because she wasn't in there

1928
01:30:34,189 --> 01:30:32,340
right and she told me this is a small

1929
01:30:37,490 --> 01:30:34,199
bomb shelter you know with four families

1930
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:37,500
in there and and how many have the same

1931
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:40,800
story the same experience I wouldn't be

1932
01:30:46,729 --> 01:30:43,920
surprised if many many I I just think

1933
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:46,739
that we are totally unaware of the

1934
01:30:53,149 --> 01:30:51,360
enormity of this situation uh I I'd

1935
01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:53,159
really like to know

1936
01:30:59,390 --> 01:30:56,760
um that's why I think we all try to

1937
01:31:01,370 --> 01:30:59,400
write a book we you know I have the two

1938
01:31:04,250 --> 01:31:01,380
of them I wrote part of with Kathy and

1939
01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:04,260
another one we shared equally

1940
01:31:08,270 --> 01:31:04,920
um

1941
01:31:10,250 --> 01:31:08,280
people read that and they find us

1942
01:31:13,070 --> 01:31:10,260
and they want to talk

1943
01:31:15,950 --> 01:31:13,080
and they want relief they want us to

1944
01:31:17,870 --> 01:31:15,960
understand and to believe them

1945
01:31:20,330 --> 01:31:17,880
how many people

1946
01:31:23,689 --> 01:31:20,340
um uh reach out to you each month either

1947
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:23,699
through move on or because they've read

1948
01:31:28,990 --> 01:31:26,159
your book and they reach out how how

1949
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:29,000
many people reach out to you each month

1950
01:31:36,110 --> 01:31:32,880
eighty to a hundred eighty to a hundred

1951
01:31:39,290 --> 01:31:36,120
yeah 1200 a year and you're just one

1952
01:31:40,970 --> 01:31:39,300
you're just one person yeah what does

1953
01:31:43,970 --> 01:31:40,980
that tell you

1954
01:31:45,169 --> 01:31:43,980
tells me a lot tells me people are

1955
01:31:48,410 --> 01:31:45,179
seeking

1956
01:31:51,410 --> 01:31:48,420
help and understanding and support

1957
01:31:53,930 --> 01:31:51,420
and what more can you give

1958
01:31:56,330 --> 01:31:53,940
you can't say oh yeah mine's parked

1959
01:31:58,610 --> 01:31:56,340
right out back here this is where I live

1960
01:31:59,229 --> 01:31:58,620
come on I'll take you a tour

1961
01:32:01,729 --> 01:31:59,239
um

1962
01:32:03,950 --> 01:32:01,739
you just need to be there for the

1963
01:32:05,810 --> 01:32:03,960
individuals because sometimes they don't

1964
01:32:08,530 --> 01:32:05,820
believe it themselves they want to call

1965
01:32:12,110 --> 01:32:08,540
it negative

1966
01:32:14,990 --> 01:32:12,120
demons because of their background and

1967
01:32:20,090 --> 01:32:15,000
upbringing in their faith

1968
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:20,100
so yeah it's tough and how many

1969
01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:21,199
um

1970
01:32:24,290 --> 01:32:23,580
let's talk about missing time for a

1971
01:32:29,689 --> 01:32:24,300
second

1972
01:32:31,790 --> 01:32:29,699
because in more cases than not right we

1973
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:31,800
have a missing time experience I haven't

1974
01:32:34,610 --> 01:32:32,880
had that

1975
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:34,620
I don't I don't I don't know what it's

1976
01:32:40,910 --> 01:32:38,159
like but to go wait a minute

1977
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:40,920
it's six o'clock at night I don't

1978
01:32:47,870 --> 01:32:44,880
remember anything since noon today yeah

1979
01:32:51,169 --> 01:32:47,880
I I don't have that experience

1980
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:51,179
but what are those kinds of connections

1981
01:32:55,129 --> 01:32:52,800
with the people that reach out to you

1982
01:32:56,689 --> 01:32:55,139
where you're connecting the dots where

1983
01:32:58,189 --> 01:32:56,699
you have this these kinds of

1984
01:32:59,930 --> 01:32:58,199
similarities

1985
01:33:02,570 --> 01:32:59,940
well

1986
01:33:05,930 --> 01:33:02,580
they do have those experiences and the

1987
01:33:09,229 --> 01:33:05,940
similarities and other things that occur

1988
01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:09,239
my husband was with us or with me on a

1989
01:33:15,890 --> 01:33:12,719
dive trip up north Florida and we were

1990
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:15,900
driving along headed back for Orlando so

1991
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:18,239
we know that that's going south right

1992
01:33:25,790 --> 01:33:21,480
and then all of a sudden we see the sign

1993
01:33:30,350 --> 01:33:27,770
don't know how that happened don't know

1994
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:30,360
how we got there had to turn around and

1995
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:34,320
travel extra hours to get us on the way

1996
01:33:38,510 --> 01:33:35,120
home

1997
01:33:41,330 --> 01:33:38,520
it happened more than once sometimes we

1998
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:41,340
just got switched over a few streets we

1999
01:33:46,850 --> 01:33:43,679
were probably taken and they didn't know

2000
01:33:49,010 --> 01:33:46,860
where to put us back I don't know but

2001
01:33:51,050 --> 01:33:49,020
both of us have figured out that we have

2002
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:51,060
an odd feeling in our heads in our

2003
01:33:55,129 --> 01:33:52,080
brains

2004
01:33:58,370 --> 01:33:55,139
when they're going to take usually just

2005
01:34:00,830 --> 01:33:58,380
me we don't know the full story of him

2006
01:34:03,229 --> 01:34:00,840
um coming back my mom was following us

2007
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,239
one day and we felt that feeling and

2008
01:34:07,970 --> 01:34:05,520
pulled off the road which was the back

2009
01:34:10,910 --> 01:34:07,980
end of one of our state parks so it was

2010
01:34:13,310 --> 01:34:10,920
all fenced in wild jungle and I think we

2011
01:34:16,010 --> 01:34:13,320
were supposed to stop there and we felt

2012
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:16,020
like we were going to be taken something

2013
01:34:20,990 --> 01:34:18,960
was coming we were going to be gone then

2014
01:34:24,110 --> 01:34:21,000
my mom pulls up in her car with our

2015
01:34:27,050 --> 01:34:24,120
daughter and oh it stopped

2016
01:34:33,050 --> 01:34:29,830
she said what do you think you're doing

2017
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:33,060
where are you going and we just looked

2018
01:34:39,250 --> 01:34:35,360
at her and said don't know

2019
01:34:44,450 --> 01:34:39,260
has your husband had any sessions

2020
01:34:46,189 --> 01:34:44,460
uh Kathleen did hypnosis on him yes and

2021
01:34:50,689 --> 01:34:46,199
and

2022
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,699
um he describes a room uh I believe that

2023
01:34:56,629 --> 01:34:52,800
he said he feels it's metallic he said

2024
01:34:58,669 --> 01:34:56,639
something about possible table and then

2025
01:35:01,790 --> 01:34:58,679
it comes to where he's probably going to

2026
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:01,800
see who's there as far as entities and

2027
01:35:08,090 --> 01:35:04,320
he stopped her he said okay that's good

2028
01:35:10,490 --> 01:35:08,100
I don't need to see but it was all right

2029
01:35:13,490 --> 01:35:10,500
in in our book

2030
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:13,500
um when he was in the truck we were

2031
01:35:17,330 --> 01:35:15,360
again going diving and it's you turn

2032
01:35:19,370 --> 01:35:17,340
left at the fence and go behind the

2033
01:35:22,669 --> 01:35:19,380
farmer's Barn we both saw something

2034
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:22,679
behind this farm and then the truck was

2035
01:35:28,729 --> 01:35:25,679
stopped I was taken he was able to draw

2036
01:35:31,070 --> 01:35:28,739
the E.T bringing me back carrying me and

2037
01:35:36,050 --> 01:35:31,080
lifting me into the seat

2038
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:39,709
um uh have uh going back to Betty and

2039
01:35:44,030 --> 01:35:41,760
Barney Hill right yeah you and your

2040
01:35:45,169 --> 01:35:44,040
husband been on the same craft at the

2041
01:35:47,810 --> 01:35:45,179
same time

2042
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:47,820
that we don't know I I don't know

2043
01:35:52,610 --> 01:35:49,679
because he

2044
01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:52,620
really doesn't want to explore it being

2045
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:54,840
a Vietnam vet and being you know having

2046
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:57,840
gone through all of that and then

2047
01:36:01,970 --> 01:35:58,560
um

2048
01:36:05,570 --> 01:36:01,980
he's really struggled and done such a

2049
01:36:07,250 --> 01:36:05,580
good job of taking care of our family I

2050
01:36:10,370 --> 01:36:07,260
think he just didn't want that to be

2051
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:10,380
another thing that entered his life he

2052
01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:12,960
said fine for me you know

2053
01:36:16,750 --> 01:36:13,800
um

2054
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:16,760
but no he didn't want to see any more

2055
01:36:24,290 --> 01:36:20,159
what what's his first name his name is

2056
01:36:26,649 --> 01:36:24,300
Edward Edward Edward Edward I'm with you

2057
01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:28,209
100

2058
01:36:34,750 --> 01:36:32,239
with you just do your thing brother

2059
01:36:36,770 --> 01:36:34,760
I mean I I I I I I I

2060
01:36:41,530 --> 01:36:36,780
have um

2061
01:36:44,990 --> 01:36:41,540
uh I've had a few weird things and now

2062
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:45,000
as far as E.T goes I don't want to know

2063
01:36:51,410 --> 01:36:49,199
I mean I I think that a past life uh

2064
01:36:53,330 --> 01:36:51,420
regression would be interesting and

2065
01:36:55,070 --> 01:36:53,340
would be a lot of fun and maybe I would

2066
01:37:00,530 --> 01:36:55,080
learn something

2067
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:00,540
process okay I've seen it done I've I've

2068
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:05,040
been present when when the sessions have

2069
01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:07,440
happened and I'm fascinated with it yeah

2070
01:37:12,370 --> 01:37:10,260
missing time and E.T I don't want to

2071
01:37:14,810 --> 01:37:12,380
know

2072
01:37:17,450 --> 01:37:14,820
well do you think there's a reason you

2073
01:37:18,430 --> 01:37:17,460
don't want to know uh yeah I don't want

2074
01:37:22,970 --> 01:37:18,440
to know

2075
01:37:26,090 --> 01:37:22,980
I like it you know when um

2076
01:37:29,810 --> 01:37:26,100
when I talked to Whitley uh about this

2077
01:37:32,270 --> 01:37:29,820
now now Travis um and and Betty

2078
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:32,280
Andreessen by the way bless her heart

2079
01:37:38,750 --> 01:37:34,080
right yeah

2080
01:37:41,689 --> 01:37:38,760
but um uh there there were aspects to to

2081
01:37:45,110 --> 01:37:41,699
it oh oh I wanted to talk uh talk about

2082
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:45,120
uh uh the interrupted Journey uh the

2083
01:37:52,129 --> 01:37:46,560
book

2084
01:37:55,850 --> 01:37:52,139
um in that there those cases when you

2085
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:55,860
really read into them they're terrifying

2086
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:00,239
I mean I I just cannot imagine uh going

2087
01:38:05,810 --> 01:38:03,360
through that and so let me uh share this

2088
01:38:08,090 --> 01:38:05,820
with you and I I've told you

2089
01:38:11,149 --> 01:38:08,100
oh Kathleen this story

2090
01:38:13,070 --> 01:38:11,159
I move into this house in Pasadena I'm

2091
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:13,080
brand new to California it's an empty

2092
01:38:18,110 --> 01:38:14,960
house there's nothing there

2093
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:18,120
and uh my first night in the house I was

2094
01:38:25,550 --> 01:38:22,080
walking around uh the empty rooms right

2095
01:38:28,669 --> 01:38:25,560
I'm just happy to have a house right and

2096
01:38:30,110 --> 01:38:28,679
and so empty rooms and I go in this

2097
01:38:32,030 --> 01:38:30,120
front bedroom

2098
01:38:34,129 --> 01:38:32,040
and I opened up the closet I'm just

2099
01:38:35,870 --> 01:38:34,139
there's nothing in the whole house is

2100
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:35,880
painted white right there's nothing in

2101
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:38,639
there but uh so and I opened up this and

2102
01:38:44,810 --> 01:38:41,760
there's these two books on this shelf in

2103
01:38:47,209 --> 01:38:44,820
this closet in the and I went oh okay

2104
01:38:50,270 --> 01:38:47,219
I don't have a TV there's a couple of

2105
01:38:53,810 --> 01:38:50,280
bucks that's kind of cool and I and I

2106
01:38:56,090 --> 01:38:53,820
take the books down and guess what it

2107
01:39:00,590 --> 01:38:56,100
was an interrupted Journey

2108
01:39:02,689 --> 01:39:00,600
oh my goodness yeah yeah yeah so so I go

2109
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,699
back I had a pillow and a blanket and

2110
01:39:07,490 --> 01:39:04,800
I'm sleeping on the floor

2111
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:07,500
and uh and I go and I started and that

2112
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:10,080
that was I knew about Betty and Barney

2113
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:12,320
Hill but I had never read the book

2114
01:39:16,430 --> 01:39:13,920
and

2115
01:39:19,490 --> 01:39:16,440
um I think I finished it maybe that

2116
01:39:23,090 --> 01:39:19,500
night or a couple of nights later

2117
01:39:24,830 --> 01:39:23,100
um and it it scared me the book scared

2118
01:39:28,729 --> 01:39:24,840
me and the way that

2119
01:39:31,610 --> 01:39:28,739
um because it was a transcription of uh

2120
01:39:35,390 --> 01:39:31,620
a lot of their sessions yeah

2121
01:39:38,570 --> 01:39:35,400
um you know a direct translation uh the

2122
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:38,580
book frightened me and that's why that

2123
01:39:43,070 --> 01:39:41,280
right there is why I don't want I don't

2124
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:43,080
I don't want to know I don't I don't

2125
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:44,239
wanna

2126
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,520
Barney when you listen to the tapes oh

2127
01:39:54,169 --> 01:39:48,719
yeah

2128
01:39:54,910 --> 01:39:54,179
know he's terrified

2129
01:39:57,950 --> 01:39:54,920
yeah

2130
01:40:00,530 --> 01:39:57,960
he um and I've I've talked to Kathleen

2131
01:40:01,930 --> 01:40:00,540
about this he's he was you know he's a

2132
01:40:04,610 --> 01:40:01,940
strong

2133
01:40:07,010 --> 01:40:04,620
individual you know

2134
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:07,020
um interracial marriage he's blessed

2135
01:40:10,850 --> 01:40:08,880
upstanding member of the community he

2136
01:40:14,510 --> 01:40:10,860
was in the politics and getting stuff

2137
01:40:17,870 --> 01:40:14,520
done in his life and to you know to look

2138
01:40:20,750 --> 01:40:17,880
at him and then hear his voice in those

2139
01:40:23,390 --> 01:40:20,760
sessions oh yeah I just don't want to be

2140
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:23,400
that guy he was taken to a place that uh

2141
01:40:29,390 --> 01:40:26,159
that absolutely mentally that terrified

2142
01:40:32,090 --> 01:40:29,400
him yeah yeah it sure did

2143
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:32,100
um Betty was a little more

2144
01:40:37,550 --> 01:40:35,760
out there began to ask questions and

2145
01:40:40,490 --> 01:40:37,560
wanted to take the book off the craft

2146
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:40,500
that got taken away from her

2147
01:40:45,890 --> 01:40:44,880
um so she was just a little bit more

2148
01:40:50,149 --> 01:40:45,900
um

2149
01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:50,159
curious very curious where are you dudes

2150
01:41:00,770 --> 01:40:57,530
you know and and the star map and and

2151
01:41:03,290 --> 01:41:00,780
everything and had she not have been as

2152
01:41:06,649 --> 01:41:03,300
inquisitive and curious

2153
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,659
um we may never have uh uh gotten uh

2154
01:41:11,209 --> 01:41:08,880
that star map and that's true the way

2155
01:41:13,790 --> 01:41:11,219
that she saw that did you do any of that

2156
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:13,800
yourself somebody asked me

2157
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:16,320
um before before you answer that

2158
01:41:21,890 --> 01:41:19,679
question somebody asked me uh the other

2159
01:41:24,830 --> 01:41:21,900
day I think I did an Ama or something

2160
01:41:27,530 --> 01:41:24,840
Jimmy what would the three questions uh

2161
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,540
you would ask E.T yeah

2162
01:41:30,770 --> 01:41:29,760
I think the first question where are you

2163
01:41:39,950 --> 01:41:30,780
from

2164
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:39,960
those questions did you try to find out

2165
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:44,400
I mean 50 50 experiences uh did you go

2166
01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:46,800
there yeah I did

2167
01:41:49,550 --> 01:41:48,300
um and the only thing I can tell you

2168
01:41:52,010 --> 01:41:49,560
there is

2169
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:52,020
I've been told to watch the skies I've

2170
01:41:56,450 --> 01:41:54,000
been told just to be aware of my

2171
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:56,460
surroundings and what's going on and

2172
01:42:01,129 --> 01:41:58,800
when I go up to Skywatch it has to be in

2173
01:42:03,169 --> 01:42:01,139
the winter here in Florida not because

2174
01:42:07,070 --> 01:42:03,179
of the heat but because of where the

2175
01:42:10,189 --> 01:42:07,080
stars are and I have been told to watch

2176
01:42:14,450 --> 01:42:10,199
um Orion's Belt and to be very uh

2177
01:42:17,390 --> 01:42:14,460
studious about it and I can I have seen

2178
01:42:22,129 --> 01:42:17,400
objects leaving that area of the sky

2179
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:22,139
between 8 30 and 10 30 at night

2180
01:42:28,090 --> 01:42:24,960
um so somebody told me something because

2181
01:42:32,750 --> 01:42:28,100
I'm getting results looking that way

2182
01:42:35,709 --> 01:42:32,760
Orion's belts yeah um when it's Cycles

2183
01:42:41,090 --> 01:42:35,719
over my house you know each year

2184
01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:41,100
I cannot I cannot stop looking at it I I

2185
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:44,520
I I'm just right there right and I just

2186
01:42:49,850 --> 01:42:47,840
sit and stare at it for forever yeah

2187
01:42:52,729 --> 01:42:49,860
fascinated with it there's a lot of

2188
01:42:57,890 --> 01:42:52,739
stars in the sky and for example and I

2189
01:43:00,649 --> 01:42:57,900
am drawn to Orion's Belt and uh man

2190
01:43:03,470 --> 01:43:00,659
um I'll have to look 8 30 to 10 30 at

2191
01:43:06,169 --> 01:43:03,480
night at night in the winter you won't

2192
01:43:09,770 --> 01:43:06,179
see anything at least I haven't but I've

2193
01:43:12,410 --> 01:43:09,780
been told to be aware so somewhere

2194
01:43:13,810 --> 01:43:12,420
up in that area I'm assuming that's

2195
01:43:16,970 --> 01:43:13,820
where they were from

2196
01:43:19,310 --> 01:43:16,980
last year I had the best year with the

2197
01:43:22,970 --> 01:43:19,320
Ryan's Belt it passed right over just

2198
01:43:25,090 --> 01:43:22,980
right over the you know and and uh I

2199
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,100
could just go out at night and so anyway

2200
01:43:29,570 --> 01:43:27,360
towards the end as it was cycling

2201
01:43:32,030 --> 01:43:29,580
through and then it was behind my house

2202
01:43:34,129 --> 01:43:32,040
I was all bummed out I was like I don't

2203
01:43:35,930 --> 01:43:34,139
have a ride's belt anymore

2204
01:43:38,030 --> 01:43:35,940
um but uh I'm waiting for it to come

2205
01:43:41,530 --> 01:43:38,040
back I want to ask

2206
01:43:44,330 --> 01:43:41,540
um uh before we wrap up tonight

2207
01:43:47,390 --> 01:43:44,340
you said five years ago was your last

2208
01:43:50,330 --> 01:43:47,400
contact experience

2209
01:43:54,290 --> 01:43:50,340
um was that uh tall gray was it was it

2210
01:43:56,270 --> 01:43:54,300
your buddy it was my tall gray yes my

2211
01:43:58,430 --> 01:43:56,280
companion my escort

2212
01:44:02,450 --> 01:43:58,440
um yes he was just standing back there

2213
01:44:05,629 --> 01:44:02,460
and I feel like he told me something we

2214
01:44:07,729 --> 01:44:05,639
cannot get that out a lot of us and

2215
01:44:10,010 --> 01:44:07,739
you've probably spoken to those who say

2216
01:44:12,830 --> 01:44:10,020
this we know something

2217
01:44:15,290 --> 01:44:12,840
and we're not allowed to tell yet

2218
01:44:17,810 --> 01:44:15,300
we've been shown something I saw

2219
01:44:20,209 --> 01:44:17,820
something on a screen in a craft that

2220
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,219
had to do with our Earth

2221
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:22,800
um but I can't get to the back side of

2222
01:44:28,189 --> 01:44:24,960
that that I could explain completely

2223
01:44:32,810 --> 01:44:28,199
what is going to happen to us

2224
01:44:35,570 --> 01:44:32,820
how long was uh the encounter that night

2225
01:44:37,370 --> 01:44:35,580
um which was the one your last one five

2226
01:44:39,950 --> 01:44:37,380
years ago oh

2227
01:44:42,050 --> 01:44:39,960
probably five minutes because I just

2228
01:44:44,330 --> 01:44:42,060
stood there opened the door we have

2229
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:44,340
that's used as kind of a storage room

2230
01:44:49,490 --> 01:44:47,280
for my crafts and things like and I just

2231
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,500
stood there and it was almost like what

2232
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:51,360
are you doing here what are you doing

2233
01:44:56,570 --> 01:44:54,480
back here and so I just stood and looked

2234
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:56,580
the light was on in the hall behind me

2235
01:45:00,830 --> 01:44:58,560
the lights were out in the room I did

2236
01:45:02,030 --> 01:45:00,840
not turn them on but it was easy to see

2237
01:45:06,250 --> 01:45:02,040
him

2238
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:06,260
and uh five minutes stare down

2239
01:45:11,530 --> 01:45:09,119
just kind of looking at him like

2240
01:45:15,050 --> 01:45:11,540
what have you got to say for yourself

2241
01:45:19,370 --> 01:45:15,060
yeah do they smile

2242
01:45:23,689 --> 01:45:19,380
I mean you know did he say hello no

2243
01:45:25,609 --> 01:45:23,699
no it's just it's almost like the eyes

2244
01:45:28,729 --> 01:45:25,619
um and whatever comes through from them

2245
01:45:31,550 --> 01:45:28,739
to you they're very serious

2246
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:31,560
yeah and what was the what was the

2247
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:38,570
just perhaps checking on I don't know I

2248
01:45:41,390 --> 01:45:40,560
am clueless

2249
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:41,400
um

2250
01:45:44,990 --> 01:45:43,920
the instance with the nurse in the

2251
01:45:49,310 --> 01:45:45,000
hospital

2252
01:45:50,990 --> 01:45:49,320
that was 1969 fast forward to oh I'd

2253
01:45:52,370 --> 01:45:51,000
have to look at the year but not too

2254
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:52,380
many years ago

2255
01:45:56,750 --> 01:45:54,239
doorbell rang in the morning my daughter

2256
01:45:59,090 --> 01:45:56,760
falls asleep on the sofa watching TV all

2257
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:59,100
night I told her just don't answer the

2258
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:01,280
door if your dad and I aren't awake

2259
01:46:05,530 --> 01:46:03,840
doorbell bing bing bing bing and then

2260
01:46:08,570 --> 01:46:05,540
knock knock and she called Mom

2261
01:46:10,970 --> 01:46:08,580
somebody's at the door so I came up we

2262
01:46:13,310 --> 01:46:10,980
have a monitor I looked in the Monitor

2263
01:46:16,010 --> 01:46:13,320
and I had this drawn also

2264
01:46:18,290 --> 01:46:16,020
there stood only in different clothing

2265
01:46:21,649 --> 01:46:18,300
the nurse

2266
01:46:24,770 --> 01:46:21,659
what I knew it I knew that's who it was

2267
01:46:26,570 --> 01:46:24,780
I knew that I knew this person I saw in

2268
01:46:28,490 --> 01:46:26,580
the monitor she's looking at me I'm

2269
01:46:30,649 --> 01:46:28,500
looking at her

2270
01:46:33,649 --> 01:46:30,659
and I thought okay I'm gonna open the

2271
01:46:36,370 --> 01:46:33,659
door and when I opened the door she was

2272
01:46:40,990 --> 01:46:36,380
more than halfway across the parking lot

2273
01:46:44,270 --> 01:46:41,000
and went between two houses and was gone

2274
01:46:45,820 --> 01:46:44,280
you know that's creepy right

2275
01:46:49,310 --> 01:46:45,830
yeah maybe

2276
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:49,320
[Laughter]

2277
01:46:57,229 --> 01:46:53,520
I've seen that movie too but

2278
01:46:59,810 --> 01:46:57,239
um why I wonder what the reason was you

2279
01:47:02,810 --> 01:46:59,820
know obviously checking up on you or

2280
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,820
listening letting you know you know that

2281
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,560
you know that they're they're they're

2282
01:47:10,910 --> 01:47:07,040
still around

2283
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:10,920
yeah yeah I think that was kind of a

2284
01:47:17,649 --> 01:47:14,639
signal a sign of we're still here and we

2285
01:47:19,609 --> 01:47:17,659
could take many forms

2286
01:47:22,990 --> 01:47:19,619
I had

2287
01:47:26,570 --> 01:47:23,000
I don't discuss this I I don't want to

2288
01:47:30,050 --> 01:47:26,580
contaminate people's experiences I don't

2289
01:47:33,169 --> 01:47:30,060
want to put things in their head so I

2290
01:47:38,090 --> 01:47:33,179
keep a lot of stuff to myself

2291
01:47:40,430 --> 01:47:38,100
um I did have an encounter in 1995 in my

2292
01:47:42,290 --> 01:47:40,440
bedroom in Sherman Oaks

2293
01:47:43,850 --> 01:47:42,300
um that's all I've ever said about the

2294
01:47:46,970 --> 01:47:43,860
experience

2295
01:47:49,970 --> 01:47:46,980
um it lasted about 15 minutes yeah and

2296
01:47:51,890 --> 01:47:49,980
but there was no communication okay all

2297
01:47:54,410 --> 01:47:51,900
right and now

2298
01:47:56,510 --> 01:47:54,420
um but it was a stare down

2299
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:56,520
and I

2300
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:00,320
wanted to go Bruce Lee

2301
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:02,880
yeah I'm just telling them I'm being

2302
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:06,719
straight up and and and I couldn't

2303
01:48:12,490 --> 01:48:09,119
and when

2304
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:12,500
um I was finally able to like break free

2305
01:48:18,290 --> 01:48:15,920
again I'd go want to get into details

2306
01:48:21,169 --> 01:48:18,300
there's things that I keep to myself

2307
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:21,179
Denise so when I interview somebody and

2308
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:23,520
they say something I know you know if

2309
01:48:28,490 --> 01:48:26,400
it's part then I unders then I know it

2310
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:28,500
was a real experience because there are

2311
01:48:33,229 --> 01:48:30,480
certain things that that that are the

2312
01:48:35,570 --> 01:48:33,239
same or similar but when I was able to

2313
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:35,580
break free and I was ready to jump up

2314
01:48:40,129 --> 01:48:37,920
wow

2315
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:40,139
gonna get him

2316
01:48:45,790 --> 01:48:42,239
he was gone

2317
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:49,129
so I went up uh and I want to get back

2318
01:48:55,070 --> 01:48:53,280
to your last ET encounter okay versus my

2319
01:48:56,810 --> 01:48:55,080
own experience

2320
01:48:58,609 --> 01:48:56,820
um I had sliding glass doors in my

2321
01:48:59,930 --> 01:48:58,619
bedroom and I went up and they were

2322
01:49:02,450 --> 01:48:59,940
still locked

2323
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,460
I then went through the entire house

2324
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,560
turned on all the lights which I left

2325
01:49:09,770 --> 01:49:06,480
the lights on for 10 years by the way

2326
01:49:15,290 --> 01:49:09,780
after that well yeah not exaggerating

2327
01:49:19,609 --> 01:49:15,300
yeah and um but anyway uh there were no

2328
01:49:23,209 --> 01:49:19,619
open doors or Windows and I couldn't

2329
01:49:26,330 --> 01:49:23,219
figure that part out how the entrance

2330
01:49:28,669 --> 01:49:26,340
and exit I didn't see it okay so I can't

2331
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:28,679
say he went through the ceiling went

2332
01:49:33,709 --> 01:49:31,440
through he dematerialized he teleport

2333
01:49:34,910 --> 01:49:33,719
that no I didn't I didn't see any of

2334
01:49:38,209 --> 01:49:34,920
that go down

2335
01:49:40,850 --> 01:49:38,219
how do you think your ET friend entered

2336
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:40,860
your house five years ago in into the

2337
01:49:44,450 --> 01:49:42,719
room

2338
01:49:46,729 --> 01:49:44,460
through the wall

2339
01:49:48,649 --> 01:49:46,739
through whatever the in that room

2340
01:49:51,470 --> 01:49:48,659
there's only one small window

2341
01:49:55,550 --> 01:49:51,480
he may have it was closed it's locked

2342
01:49:57,169 --> 01:49:55,560
permanently right so yeah just like they

2343
01:49:58,129 --> 01:49:57,179
took me through the wall when I was two

2344
01:50:00,649 --> 01:49:58,139
and a half

2345
01:50:02,030 --> 01:50:00,659
to enter whatever type of room or craft

2346
01:50:03,950 --> 01:50:02,040
that was

2347
01:50:05,450 --> 01:50:03,960
um by touching the wallpaper with an

2348
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:05,460
instrument that had a little light on

2349
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:07,440
the end he touched that wallpaper

2350
01:50:12,290 --> 01:50:09,360
holding my hand and we went right

2351
01:50:16,430 --> 01:50:12,300
through but I felt like I again like

2352
01:50:18,890 --> 01:50:16,440
going in that beam I was coming apart

2353
01:50:20,689 --> 01:50:18,900
what was that sensation like when you

2354
01:50:23,450 --> 01:50:20,699
say coming apart

2355
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:23,460
like I was losing myself I wanted to

2356
01:50:29,689 --> 01:50:26,400
grasp it at who I was I don't

2357
01:50:33,229 --> 01:50:29,699
necessarily mean Total Physical being

2358
01:50:36,169 --> 01:50:33,239
this vessel that I'm in but me where was

2359
01:50:37,490 --> 01:50:36,179
I spread out all over the place not as a

2360
01:50:39,950 --> 01:50:37,500
two and a half year old that didn't

2361
01:50:43,129 --> 01:50:39,960
bother me when I was older and realized

2362
01:50:46,010 --> 01:50:43,139
what was happening and how the orbs went

2363
01:50:47,629 --> 01:50:46,020
from being an orb to an E.T that's how

2364
01:50:49,669 --> 01:50:47,639
they took themselves

2365
01:50:55,250 --> 01:50:49,679
up to the craft

2366
01:50:57,850 --> 01:50:55,260
the um an orb like we see and uh right

2367
01:51:00,590 --> 01:50:57,860
uh what color blue blue

2368
01:51:03,169 --> 01:51:00,600
these ones were blue yeah

2369
01:51:08,290 --> 01:51:03,179
um but the sensation of passing through

2370
01:51:11,090 --> 01:51:08,300
something physical uh what was that like

2371
01:51:13,370 --> 01:51:11,100
feeling like I could get trapped there

2372
01:51:15,649 --> 01:51:13,380
that that I think was a sensation I'm

2373
01:51:17,870 --> 01:51:15,659
gonna get trapped let's get this over

2374
01:51:19,370 --> 01:51:17,880
with and get where we're going

2375
01:51:20,890 --> 01:51:19,380
yeah you don't want to get stuck in

2376
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:20,900
drywall

2377
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,639
no

2378
01:51:25,850 --> 01:51:24,719
you don't want to get

2379
01:51:27,609 --> 01:51:25,860
um I

2380
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:27,619
um if we go back to the Philadelphia

2381
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:30,320
Experiment yeah and

2382
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:33,360
the description of some of those Sailors

2383
01:51:38,930 --> 01:51:35,520
that were stuck in the middle of the

2384
01:51:42,890 --> 01:51:38,940
steel Hall yes that that always kind of

2385
01:51:46,370 --> 01:51:42,900
freaked me out and you don't

2386
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:46,380
um that's why you know teleportation or

2387
01:51:52,250 --> 01:51:50,159
or any aspect like that where you're

2388
01:51:55,729 --> 01:51:52,260
what's the word I want to say your

2389
01:51:58,129 --> 01:51:55,739
particles are going to be recreated

2390
01:52:01,129 --> 01:51:58,139
somewhere else somewhere else yeah I

2391
01:52:03,590 --> 01:52:01,139
don't want to be that experimenter yeah

2392
01:52:06,290 --> 01:52:03,600
um it's a very strange that I was afraid

2393
01:52:08,750 --> 01:52:06,300
of that I'm still afraid of

2394
01:52:10,910 --> 01:52:08,760
um but then I felt something similar in

2395
01:52:12,229 --> 01:52:10,920
the near-death experiment it was almost

2396
01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:12,239
the same

2397
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:14,940
a part of this whole

2398
01:52:20,810 --> 01:52:17,280
place

2399
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:20,820
um it was amazing it's still amazing and

2400
01:52:25,790 --> 01:52:23,040
to see that glow off in the distance

2401
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:25,800
that they didn't say that was the source

2402
01:52:29,209 --> 01:52:27,840
but they indicated that was somewhere we

2403
01:52:31,250 --> 01:52:29,219
couldn't go

2404
01:52:35,450 --> 01:52:31,260
fresh out of a

2405
01:52:37,870 --> 01:52:35,460
a Time on earth right right right so

2406
01:52:41,270 --> 01:52:37,880
you're ex okay so let me ask you this

2407
01:52:42,890 --> 01:52:41,280
we've only got like a minute left

2408
01:52:46,250 --> 01:52:42,900
um but

2409
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:46,260
do you when you are on the craft are you

2410
01:52:51,590 --> 01:52:47,760
on the craft

2411
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:51,600
most of the are in the physical yeah

2412
01:52:58,609 --> 01:52:53,119
right right

2413
01:53:02,209 --> 01:52:58,619
how do you get from here to there

2414
01:53:04,430 --> 01:53:02,219
from here to there that's that beam now

2415
01:53:06,109 --> 01:53:04,440
occasionally I walked onto a craft it

2416
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:06,119
depended on what type of craft it was

2417
01:53:12,770 --> 01:53:09,119
but that darn beam that would come down

2418
01:53:15,050 --> 01:53:12,780
and the ET would switch into these

2419
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:15,060
little orbs would be floating I could

2420
01:53:20,030 --> 01:53:17,760
see them in there and I knew I was not

2421
01:53:22,970 --> 01:53:20,040
in one piece I knew that I didn't have

2422
01:53:25,129 --> 01:53:22,980
arms legs couldn't see that and I was

2423
01:53:26,750 --> 01:53:25,139
moving up the beam

2424
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,760
that's crazy

2425
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:28,560
was it yeah

2426
01:53:34,750 --> 01:53:31,199
yeah was it fun

2427
01:53:39,070 --> 01:53:34,760
no that was not fun no

2428
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:39,080
not enjoyable not enjoyable fascinating

2429
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:43,199
sure but no it wasn't enjoyable well

2430
01:53:50,570 --> 01:53:45,920
it's not in you you're not in in control

2431
01:53:53,870 --> 01:53:50,580
not at all no you can't say no

2432
01:53:56,030 --> 01:53:53,880
just happens and I don't recall ever

2433
01:53:58,850 --> 01:53:56,040
being brought back I cannot tell you one

2434
01:54:00,470 --> 01:53:58,860
instant except for one time they dumped

2435
01:54:02,990 --> 01:54:00,480
me in the park where my grammar school

2436
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:03,000
was no one stores windows were locked so

2437
01:54:07,550 --> 01:54:05,040
I just walked home went upstairs and

2438
01:54:09,590 --> 01:54:07,560
went to bed that's the only time I

2439
01:54:12,830 --> 01:54:09,600
remember being brought back

2440
01:54:15,770 --> 01:54:12,840
and when when you come back we're out of

2441
01:54:19,129 --> 01:54:15,780
time okay real quick just real quick are

2442
01:54:20,750 --> 01:54:19,139
you brought back as an orb no that time

2443
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:20,760
I wasn't I was standing there in my

2444
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:24,000
pajamas a little kid but the other 49

2445
01:54:30,649 --> 01:54:27,840
contact uh uh time are you brought back

2446
01:54:32,750 --> 01:54:30,659
as an orb or you just I don't know wow

2447
01:54:35,689 --> 01:54:32,760
wow I don't know that's something I need

2448
01:54:38,209 --> 01:54:35,699
to explore maybe I can get Kathleen to

2449
01:54:41,410 --> 01:54:38,219
take a look at it with me Kathleen you

2450
01:54:44,090 --> 01:54:41,420
got some work to do young lady

2451
01:54:46,729 --> 01:54:44,100
thank you so much give my best to Edward

2452
01:54:49,629 --> 01:54:46,739
to tell him tell him he's making the

2453
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:49,639
Right Moves I have no I'm going to

2454
01:54:54,590 --> 01:54:52,320
Denise thank you so much and I so look

2455
01:54:56,990 --> 01:54:54,600
forward to our next conversation uh be

2456
01:55:01,850 --> 01:54:57,000
safe out there and now how can everybody

2457
01:55:05,149 --> 01:55:01,860
reach out to you I am at DM Stoner the

2458
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:05,159
number one at gmail.com

2459
01:55:11,870 --> 01:55:07,920
simple enough all right all right

2460
01:55:13,609 --> 01:55:11,880
everybody thank you uh Denise what a

2461
01:55:16,669 --> 01:55:13,619
great conversation give my best to

2462
01:55:18,290 --> 01:55:16,679
Kathleen I will I will she says you're

2463
01:55:21,890 --> 01:55:18,300
the best out there she told me that

2464
01:55:22,669 --> 01:55:21,900
today she has she has no idea

2465
01:55:25,370 --> 01:55:22,679
um

2466
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:25,380
okay okay I've got six I've got 45

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seconds left

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um one of my favorite moments

2469
01:55:35,870 --> 01:55:32,880
um I can't remember exactly where we

2470
01:55:38,350 --> 01:55:35,880
were but we were like in a green room uh

2471
01:55:41,689 --> 01:55:38,360
with a bunch of others you know anyway

2472
01:55:43,070 --> 01:55:41,699
so I I I walk there's a couch and

2473
01:55:47,149 --> 01:55:43,080
Kathleen's sitting on the couch by

2474
01:55:49,729 --> 01:55:47,159
herself uh and and uh everybody was

2475
01:55:52,010 --> 01:55:49,739
there I think Stanton was there you know

2476
01:55:53,649 --> 01:55:52,020
and so forth anyway

2477
01:55:56,709 --> 01:55:53,659
she goes Jimmy

2478
01:56:00,590 --> 01:55:56,719
take a seat

2479
01:56:02,149 --> 01:56:00,600
all right and and Kathleen and I sat on

2480
01:56:03,649 --> 01:56:02,159
that couch and we talked for about two

2481
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:03,659
hours

2482
01:56:08,330 --> 01:56:06,000
um one-on-one back and forth and it is

2483
01:56:10,129 --> 01:56:08,340
one of my favorite moments of my life

2484
01:56:12,410 --> 01:56:10,139
and she knows exactly what I'm talking

2485
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:12,420
about and it was just a great

2486
01:56:18,050 --> 01:56:14,880
conversation I have such immense respect

2487
01:56:20,629 --> 01:56:18,060
uh for her oh gosh I do too she's a

2488
01:56:22,910 --> 01:56:20,639
genius too just

2489
01:56:29,050 --> 01:56:22,920
and when she looks at you and starts

2490
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:31,490
Denise enjoy the rest of your night give

2491
01:56:36,410 --> 01:56:34,080
my best to Kathleen and I look forward

2492
01:56:38,750 --> 01:56:36,420
to your next time on Facebook thank you

2493
01:56:41,390 --> 01:56:38,760
please help me again thank you thank you

2494
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:41,400
so much the absolute very best Denise

2495
01:56:47,629 --> 01:56:44,880
Stoner everybody and uh with that I'm

2496
01:56:50,209 --> 01:56:47,639
gonna get out of here tomorrow night uh

2497
01:56:52,270 --> 01:56:50,219
here on Fade to Black we've got uh Pete

2498
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,280
Kelsey is on with us

2499
01:56:57,709 --> 01:56:54,480
and tomorrow night we're going to be

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01:57:00,050 --> 01:56:57,719
talking about skin walker Ranch

2501
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,060
that's right Fade to Black what a great

2502
01:57:04,070 --> 01:57:02,400
week we've got coming up on the show I

2503
01:57:06,890 --> 01:57:04,080
want to thank Denise Stoner perfect

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01:57:09,050 --> 01:57:06,900
conversation tonight Fade to Black is

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